Originally Posted By gadzuux >> According to some liberals, southern men are ignorant, but they'd vote for Ford << According to this liberal, the ignorant ones will vote for the republican candidate either way.
Originally Posted By gadzuux You're right - let's call it something else - stooping to exploint the lowest and basest human foibles to troll for votes. Who then become your oonstituants.
Originally Posted By jonvn Another article on this stuff: <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/10/28/MNGD7M1UNN1.DTL" target="_blank">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/10/28/MNGD7M1UNN1.DTL</a> I like Nancy Pelosi's comment, that she's never seen a party run against an entire geographical region of the country, as they keep talking about the "SF Homosexual Agenda." As she states, what do Republicans (both of them) in San Francisco have to think about the party basically trashing an entire American city? It's the fifth or sixth largest city region in the country, if you count the surrounding area.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Republican charges of a San Francisco "homosexual agenda'' and allegations that a liberal "San Francisco majority'' in Congress would endanger the nation have emerged as themes in the final two weeks of the Nov. 7 midterm election campaign. << Fear mongering and the politics of division - "us vs. them" coming from the republicans. What a surprise. It's not like this is something new from them. They trot out this ugly horse every election.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You're right - let's call it something else - stooping to exploint the lowest and basest human foibles to troll for votes. Who then become your oonstituants.> Kind of like crying racism all the time in order to secure the minority vote, right?
Originally Posted By gadzuux The other thing that bugs me about this whole pitch is that I consider myself to be a unique and fully developed individual. But all this talk about the "liberal san francisco homosexual agenda" makes me feel like just another cultural stereotype. "Oh, he's one of "those people" and thus his views and beliefs and thoughts and ideas may now be categoried and dismissed as a 'special interest'. Soccer moms - I feel your pain.
Originally Posted By friendofdd C'mon, Gadzuux, you know SF is not really a part of plebian California.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <It's not like this is something new from them. They trot out this ugly horse every election.> That's true. Because the 1984 Dem. convention was in San Francisco, Reagan referred to the '84 ticket as "San Francisco Democrats." And everyone knew what THAT was code for. What's interesting about this Ford ad is that people under about 35, including Tennesseeans, when asked about it, don't see it as racial at all - the idea of a black man dating a white woman just doesn't seem alien to them. But Tenneseans 45 and older, republicans and democrats both, DO see it as racial, and understand what it's appealing to. It's hopeful in a way - the crudest forms of racism seem to be slowly seeping away. But it's not yet gone.
Originally Posted By JohnS1 Excellent point, Dabob. I tried and tried to see what was biased about this ad but all I saw was a very liberal attitude that blacks can date whites. The point as I understood it was that Ford is (supposedly) a swinging single type. Which is no big deal to me, but to some voters, it might be. It's still a silly point to base an ad on, but there was no bigotry in this ad whatsoever. And how stupid would someone have to be to think that anyone could get away with REAL racism in an ad these days? It's also funny that nobody from the democratic side is protesting ads against the other black candidate, Steele, in another state's election. But, oh - that's right - he's running as a republican - so he can't really be black, can he? To me, any people who interpret that specific image in the anti-Ford ad as racist strike me as being racist themselves.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 < It's still a silly point to base an ad on, but there was no bigotry in this ad whatsoever. And how stupid would someone have to be to think that anyone could get away with REAL racism in an ad these days? > Well, the thing is, to voters over a certain age in Tennessee, there IS racism in this ad, and that's why it was designed this way. You can't get away with blatant racism these days, but you can (try to) get away with this sort of subtle appeal to older people who still shudder at the thought of a black man "ravaging our women." I have southern roots and trust me, this attitude still exists in older people. And that's who that segment of the ad was aimed at.
Originally Posted By JohnS1 "You can't get away with blatant racism these days, but you can (try to) get away with this sort of subtle appeal to older people who still shudder at the thought of a black man "ravaging our women." And is that attitude (ravaging our women) even true when the woman in the ad is portrayed as a sort of tramp? Because, unless I am wrong, that'a another older generation thing - that tramps deserve what happens to them. And the woman in the ad is certainly not portrayed as anyone for whom an older generation southerner would show sympathy or support. More to the point would be to show Ford seducing a normal housewife type - a southern belle, if you will.
Originally Posted By Disneyworldland Gay Dem congressman a few years ago goes to bed with a 17 year old boy and the Dems in the house gave him 3 standing ovations. Barney Franks gay boy toy runs a brothel out of his house and Barney is still in Congress. Republican gay congressman writes a racy note to a 18 year old and all the dems are shocked, please, pleas, how dumb do the Dems think we are?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <And is that attitude (ravaging our women) even true when the woman in the ad is portrayed as a sort of tramp? Because, unless I am wrong, that'a another older generation thing - that tramps deserve what happens to them. > Among the older southerners I know, yes, racism tends to trump sexism.
Originally Posted By jonvn I need to see this ad, it sounds hot. Based on what I hear here, it is based on racism, and prudism. All the things that people in the south are stereotyped about. They should feel proud that this is the sort of thing that people who are very cynical and in power think of them.
Originally Posted By Mr X I swear I'm not intentionally dredging up topics (I actually spun my mouse a little too fast and ended up in 2006, stopped for a few minutes to read what amounts to a time capsule at this point, and noticed a couple of funny ones. ECDC, now that your comment is five years old, do you still this this represented "a new low"? Seems downright quaint at this point lol.
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