Originally Posted By mawnck >>Saw it again last year in Florida. In my memories, it was much better.<< Your memories were right. That sucker's been rewritten several times, as the "today" segment of the show continues to gallop away, decades-wise, from the segment that immediately precedes it. They also had to take out all the GE product placement that was the show's reason to exist in the first place, AND redo the script to change the song to the DL version, AND do all this while keeping the scenes' running time exactly the same. All this was done by the creative team that brought you the Tiki Room Under New Management. Throw in WDW's legendary AA maintenance program (snort!) and you got yourself a creaky, draggy mess. Unfortunately, it's time to put the Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow out of its misery and use those AAs for something kick-ass. Now is the best time ...
Originally Posted By danyoung I agree that the Carousel is not as good as it was in the past. But I still enjoy seeing it for nostalgia's sake. But then the theaters are never even a quarter filled, so maybe its time has come.
Originally Posted By believe >>>>>>>>>...it would cost so much to reinstall the special effects and recreate the film for 3D...< I don't think there's any chance that they'll put in the special effects like the smoke, the green light blinking when they run into the beacon, etc. But other than that, the theater is already equipped for 3D, so it's just a matter of striking a good set of film prints off of the master, which hopefully has been properly preserved in the Disney vaults. Not that tough or expensive at all.>>>>>>> Actually, I believe HISTA has all the in theatre effects that EO had plus more. So, no new effects (ie no extra cost) necessary. >>>>>>>>>agree that the Carousel is not as good as it was in the past. But I still enjoy seeing it for nostalgia's sake. But then the theaters are never even a quarter filled, so maybe its time has come.<<<<<<<< They should take out 3/4 of the seats to make it look like the theatre is full. And advertise that every seat is a front row seat!
Originally Posted By Hista98 Actually, I believe HISTA has all the in theatre effects that EO had plus more. So, no new effects (ie no extra cost) necessary. actually it doesn''t i work there and all the eo effects were removed.
Originally Posted By danyoung Yeah, the effects for EO were very specific for that show, like the afore-mentioned green light and the smoke from the stage when they crash land. But again, just seeing it in 3D on a big screen with big fat sound would be terrific for me!
Originally Posted By believe >>>>Yeah, the effects for EO were very specific for that show, like the afore-mentioned green light and the smoke from the stage when they crash land. But again, just seeing it in 3D on a big screen with big fat sound would be terrific for me! <<<<< Maybe so, but those two effects are very minor and won't be missed compared to new and additional effects that EO did not have, such as the rat effect, dog sneeze effect, wind in your face, and best of all, the motion simulator lite (where the auditorium moves around). But yes, that big fat awesome sound would be welcome! Rumor has it that they had to turn down the sound a bit as it might have scared the kiddies.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Hans, I can guarantee you - hook up a $100,000 sound system to a PC, and you still won't come close to the pure, uncompressed sound that was presented in the Magic Eye theater" I'm not saying that it would be exactly the SAME as being at Disney, but it would be enough to get the idea of what the original show was like. The point I'm making is that with the right equipment a Captain Eo fan could create a similar experience at home without Disney having to bring this tired film back to the parks.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "isn't the reason it closed to begin with at epcot was beacause the whole scandle was going on with micheal jackson was going on and disney did not want to be associated with him..." At the time Disney denied that was the reason.
Originally Posted By danyoung >...those two effects are very minor and won't be missed compared to new and additional effects that EO did not have, such as the rat effect, dog sneeze effect, wind in your face, and best of all, the motion simulator lite (where the auditorium moves around).< I think the motion simulator could be used for great effect, especially when EO's ship crashes. >The point I'm making is that with the right equipment a Captain Eo fan could create a similar experience at home without Disney having to bring this tired film back to the parks.< The dvd I bought does indeed have much better sound than I previously had from the MTV broadcast years ago. But there's nothing the home entertainment enthusiast can do to create the 3D effect, short of having 2 projectors, polarizing filters on the lenses and on their glasses, and a properly processed left and right eye image to project. Nope, it just can't happen at home, outside of as you say giving people the idea of what the show was like. I want to see a presentation as close to the original experience as possible, and the only way to do that is to see it in the Magic Eye Theater (or even at another theater with great sound and equipped with true discrete 3D projection).
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "But there's nothing the home entertainment enthusiast can do to create the 3D effect..." Are you saying that 3D can't be recreated on DVD? Aren't there recently released theatrical films that are on DVD in 3D? Nevertheless, there is still no real reason to bring this attraction back. As it has been noted the film is dated, MJ was too controversial, and Tomorrowland needs NEW things rather than rehashing the past.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Are you saying that 3D can't be recreated on DVD? Aren't there recently released theatrical films that are on DVD in 3D?<< The only way to do it with civilian issue consumer electronics is the old timey red-blue lens thing - which is not exactly the Captain Eo experience.
Originally Posted By danyoung Correct, mawnck. The color separation method just doesn't cut it. You need to have 2 discrete projections, one for each eye, to really have the effect work. There actually is a system that can be used on a standard TV, but it uses lcd glasses hooked up to a processor, and it's pretty flicker-y. It's actually some pretty good 3D, but it takes a bunch of hardware to make it work - not very practical for the average home.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>MJ was too controversial, and Tomorrowland needs NEW things rather than rehashing the past.<< Long term? Of course. That's a given. Temporary? (As this has been touted,) .. I don't see a problem.
Originally Posted By oc_dean The idea is Halloween season - '09. Nothing more. As has been mentioned.
Originally Posted By Anatole69 I liked Captain EO ok when I saw it in DL back in the day, not my favorite of MJ's productions, or Coppala's. I watched it again on Youtube a few months ago, still felt the same. Then I watched it with a friend a week ago, and it was a whole other experience watching it with someone else. Not to mention seeing something with a lot of scene and depth of mise-en-scene gains a lot on the big screen and loses so much on the small one. All those details get lumped together by the eye when they are shrunk down, or at least they are given the same significance as when they are blown up and the details are more pronounced. At to that a killer sound system and 3-d and yes, this film would be better experienced in the theater. I tried watching soarin on youtube a month before I first rode it and thought it was the cheesiest, sappiest, boring film I had ever seen. When I saw it on the big screen as part of the whole flight simulator with the motion and the large scale of its projection, it was like watching a completely different movie. I would agree with Captain EO being modeled on older movie musicals. Coppola is a student of movies, after all and even did his own musical at one point. - Anatole
Originally Posted By Anatole69 Ack typos galore. Should read: Not to mention seeing a movie with a lot of set dressing and a large depth of mise-en-scene gains a lot on the big screen and loses so much on the small one. All those details get lumped together by the eye when they are shrunk down, or at least they are not given the same significance as when they are blown up and the details are more pronounced. Add to that a killer sound system and 3-d and yes, this film would be better experienced in the theater.
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara I just rewatched Captain EO on YouTube to see if it was really as wretched as I remembered ... it was worse. What a turd. The 3D never seemed to work well in the theater. A friend in the movie biz explained that there are too many rapid cuts in the editing to allow your eyes the time they need to adjust to the 3D image, and so your eyes never really adjust as they need to. And Michael Jackson as a space hero? Please. Honey I Shrunk the Audience is awful, but Captain EO was worse.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Temporary? (As this has been touted,) .. I don't see a problem." The problem is that it's doubtful if this film holds more than a passing interest for the average guest. A lot of people might be curious about seeing MJ in his prime, but beyond that I have some serious doubts about the draw of this show at DL, even for a limited engagement. As others have mentioned, the film and the effects are beyond hokey and the latter years of MJ's life were just too controversial for him to be featured in a DL attraction in my opinion. My prediction is that there'd be a rush of APers to see the thing the first few months after it opened and then there'd be nothing but crickets after that. Someone mentioned bringing it to the El Capitan. I think that makes a lot more sense than having it play at DL again.
Originally Posted By danyoung >What a turd. The 3D never seemed to work well in the theater.< You are of course welcome to your opinion, but I don't see how you can get any kind of real comparison between the original show and a super-compressed Youtube video. But I do have to say that for me the 3D worked wonderfully. Yes, too many quick cuts will hurt the ability of the human eyes and the brain behind them to create the 3D effect. But that slowly rotating boulder at the beginning, starting small and then coming right out in your lap? The lasers whizzing past your head? MJ's feet right in your face as he's blasting the Supreme Leader? And little Fuzzball slowly coming out over the audience to sweetly say "bye bye"? Those were some pretty incredible 3D effects!
