Originally Posted By Dabob2 Santorum said: “The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country.” As so often, he has it exactly backwards. That idea is actually one of the ideas our country was founded on. But idiots like Santorum don't see it that way. They insist the founding fathers were founding a specifically Christian nation, because most (not all) were at least nominally Christian, and because they mentioned God sometimes in their writings. But of course he ignores other of their writings in which they specifically refuted the idea that this was a specifically Christian nation. The obvious example is Jefferson, who wrote "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature would 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." Jefferson quotes the first amendment verbatim, and says THUS we have a wall of separation between Church and State. Unlike many areas where we have to sort of guess or infer what the founders meant (for those to whom that's important), here we don't even have to guess. Jefferson tells us. He quotes the first amendment and says THUS... this is what we meant by it. Even so, the Santorums of this world claim that separation of church and state is a "hoax" or some such.
Originally Posted By velo the interesting thing is that Kennedy made that speech in response to protestant ministers' doubting his fitness to be President due to his being Roman Catholic. Isn't Santorum Catholic as well?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder As painful as it might be, people really need to see this clown. <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/rick-santorum-a-lot-of-people-in-us-have-no-desire-for-college/" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/po...college/</a> - He says many people have no desire to go to college and that Obama is a "snob" for saying people should at least try to get a year of higher education. - He adamantly completely misunderstands what was meant in the First Amendment. - Although he wants government, both national and local, out of education, he'd see to it that colleges teach the right things. There's more, but Rick Santorum makes me want to throw up.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>He said Kennedy's speech on separation of church and state makes him "want to throw up".>> Sounds like Santorum wants a state church. So which one will it be Rickie? Catholic? Don't thinks so, Catholics are still far outnumbered by Protestants in the USA. Would Santorum switch to the official state church? The guy's pandering is shameless.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney >>>- He says many people have no desire to go to college and that Obama is a "snob" for saying people should at least try to get a year of higher education.<<< Well of course. People who go to college tend to become more liberal, and that ain't good for business!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Santorum is an idiot. Having said that... While I agree that everyone should have some post-high school education. I don't believe it should always be college. Too many people who go to college end up in relatively low-paying "administrative assistant" or retail jobs... jobs that really do not require a college education. Meanwhile many well-paying trades occupations have a hard time finding enough qualified people to hire. Not ALL people are college material, and not all well paying jobs require college.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder What he expressly said though was that Obama was a "snob" for even suggesting it. And Obama was talking about the trades as well, a fact lost on Santorum.
Originally Posted By dshyates The best part is that Obama never said that. Santorum claims that Obama said that he wants everyone in America to go to college. Santorum claims that Obama's elitist plan would kill manufacturing. BUT Obama never said that. What Obama said is that he wants everyone in America, WHO WANTS TO GO TO COLLEGE, should have that opportunity. Nothing like lying about the quote, then getting everyone panties in a bunch over it. Standard GOP tactics. Lie to anger and terrorize. Gotta love the GOP.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >> Santorum claims that Obama's elitist plan would kill manufacturing.<< And yet we are constantly told that manufacturing workers now need to: Have strong math skills. Be computer literate. Have strong critical thinking and problem solving skills. Have strong verbal and written communications skills. But Mr. Santorum is right, education is not the answer.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer John Kennedy: I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote--where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference--and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish--where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source--where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials--and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all. For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew--or a Quaker--or a Unitarian--or a Baptist. It was Virginia's harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that helped lead to Jefferson's statute of religious freedom. Today I may be the victim--but tomorrow it may be you--until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great national peril. Finally, I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end--where all men and all churches are treated as equal--where every man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice--where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind--and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood. I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote--where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference--and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish--where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source--where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials--and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all. For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew--or a Quaker--or a Unitarian--or a Baptist. It was Virginia's harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that helped lead to Jefferson's statute of religious freedom. Today I may be the victim--but tomorrow it may be you--until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great national peril. Finally, I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end--where all men and all churches are treated as equal--where every man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice--where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind--and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood. Rick Santorum: Whatevs. Barf.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Is anyone else afraid of the ground Santorum is making? I mean, could this guy really have a chance at being the next POTUS?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer He has a chance of being the GOP nominee, but I don't think he has any chance of winning the general election. Though I guess that all depends on how the Diebold voting machines register the votes.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Plus, the media needs for this to be a close race, so I think some of the enthusiasm for Santorum is magnified a bit more to make it all seem like much more of a horserace. I would be very surprised if Romney isn't the nominee when all is said and done.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer I'd be surprised if the people who bankroll the GOP let anyone but Romney get the nomination, unless the convention brings in someone like Jeb Bush at the last minute.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan There's been so much trash talk throughout the last 439 GOP debates that I have no idea who Romney could pick as a VP. Chris Christie I guess, even though he's said to to running for president.
