Originally Posted By ecdc >>But I also warned this would be open season on the police and it was basically met with a shrug.<< No, it was met with us telling you that you were wrong, because you are wrong. There's zilch evidence that this is "open season" on police.
Originally Posted By ecdc Hey, here's a link about a white woman viciously killing a Hindu man. That means it's open-season on white people killing Hindus. If you don't believe me, you're just shrugging at the murder of Hindus. Unimpeachable, foolproof logic, that is! <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Erika-Menendez-Jail-Fatal-Subway-Push-304521371.html">http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news...371.html</a>
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Apple to oranges. If think cops do such a bad job, spend a day doing their job
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Really it's not open season? We had a cop killed in NY. Two killed in Mississippi and now this recent one. You're right it's not a problem.
Originally Posted By ecdc Just how many straw men do you keep on hand, anyway? When you decide to respond to something someone actually said, let us know.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Read post 104 <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/MsgBoard-T-131164-P-11.asp">http://mb.laughingplace.com/Ms...P-11.asp</a> Apart from Dabob condemning the statement. And I know SPP supports the police. But after that crickets. Look as a society we have to stop putting criminals(white, black, Hispanic, etc) over those of police officers or innocent victims killed by the criminals or in extremely rare rare rare cases a bad police officer or two
Originally Posted By ecdc You single out one post from one known whacky poster as evidence people don't care? How about I comb through the LP archives and find all the outlandish comments from conservatives on here and demand an explanation for why you didn't personally condemn it? You keep assuming things about people and responding to things no one said (like cops do a bad job or it's not a problem when they are killed). You do this because you are incapable of thinking more than an inch deep. Your obscenely uncomplicated worldview is populated only with good guys and bad guys and anytime anyone on here bothers to disagree with you or point out things might be slightly more complex (say, like that someone may have committed a crime and that doesn't mean they should've been the victim of deadly force, both of those things can be true), you freak out with the old DAR black and white outrage and just demonize everyone by assuming good human beings don't give a rats ass about murdered police officers and any other atrocity when we don't swallow your teensy, narrow perspective on life. You do this because it's easier for you to assume the worst about other people than have your preconceived ideas challenged. So then you turn around and ask questions and make statements that make Donny look like a savant. Many of us have repeatedly said we think most cops are good people who have tough jobs. Your either ignorance of those statements or your refusal to acknowledge them because you are too simple to understand nuance is not our problem. So by all means, keep banging away with paper thin statements about how it's open season on cops and how no one cares all you like. Just know that, for the umpteenth time, you are responding to a figment of your imagination and not to anything anyone here has actually said or believes.
Originally Posted By ecdc And BTW, I love this "Just trust cops" mentality. The government gives people guns and the right to kill citizens and that's a-ok, but stand in a long line at the DMV and its evidence government is the worst and can't be trusted.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I've said in the case of the SC cop he should have been prosecuted.> Well, that's good. I should point out that in the absence of that video, he never would have been. He had already lied to his superiors, who almost certainly would have just taken his word, end of story. Sometimes even with video, there's an indictment but no trial, if the DA acts as de facto defense attorney (as on Staten Island.) <But I also warned this would be open season on the police and it was basically met with a shrug.> Don't confuse what's happened lately with "open season" - except for the NY case where the guy basically targeted cops with no other reason, the others were killed in the line of duty, i.e. by people they were trying to bring in who shot them to avoid arrest. And don't confuse a lack of direct response on any particular point as a shrug. Except for a possibly drunk barboy, no one here has shown a shred of sympathy for killing cops.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<And don't confuse a lack of direct response on any particular point as a shrug. Except for a possibly drunk barboy, no one here has shown a shred of sympathy for killing cops.>> Exactly. I used to occasionally respond to a barboy post, but soon found it wasn't worth it. Never improved the situation and often made it worse. I'll discuss things with skinnerbox, even though I usually consider her viewpoint pretty extreme, because she is both intelligent and rational. Big difference.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I just don't like seeing cops bad mouthed in the media when most don't deserve it.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<I'll discuss things with skinnerbox, even though I usually consider her viewpoint pretty extreme, because she is both intelligent and rational. Big difference.>> Thanks, RT. And ditto for you as well. You're intelligent and rational and I enjoy our discussions, even when we occupy polar opposites of the debate and I get a bit too, uh, "enthusiastic." I also wholeheartedly agree with ecdc and Debob and RT about which posters you engage and which posters you do not. And lately, DAR has slipped back into his typical rhetoric and accusatory stances inferring context and messaging from others that simply isn't there. He really needs to step outside of his own head and pay attention to this crap. He's like a dog with a bone who won't let go, long after the marrow has been sucked dry.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<I just don't like seeing cops bad mouthed in the media when most don't deserve it. >> The only cops who get "badmouthed" in the media are INDIVIDUAL COPS who have disciplinary records and/or were caught red handed engaged in ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. The "badmouthing" has also been directed at SPECIFIC POLICE DEPARTMENTS who have LONG STANDING HISTORIES of hiring and retaining DIRTY COPS. This is the important distinction you are failing to grasp, DAR. The "badmouthing" is either targeting INDIVIDUAL DIRTY COPS and/or its targeting police departments who allow INDIVIDUAL DIRTY COPS to serve on their force. You are making broad sweeping generalizations with your comments that do not apply here or in most of the media outlets. Let it go already.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/2015/01/26/media-frenzy-officer-safety-nightmare/">http://www.lawenforcementtoday...ghtmare/</a>
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 But the badmouthing of individual cops or departments leads to the retaliation against other cops who had nothing to do with any of these incidents. And then most are patrolling neighborhoods where 99 percent of the population hates them. I probably wouldn't speak up either
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Comment from a friend: "...she breaks our collective TV-watching silence and says, with some passion, "This is so unfair! The police don't deserve this! Most people become cops because they want to HELP people! Okay, there are some cowboys. But they're the ones who get all the press! The news never talks about all the good ones! You know what?! Ever since I started transitioning, every single cop I've encountered has been nothing but nice to me. I've had to call them to my house a couple times -- neighborhood issues, you know -- and they were so respectful and helpful. And last winter, when it was SO cold and snowy, I was driving home from work and my car died on the expressway. A few minutes later, a cop pulled up to me and asked me if I was okay. I told him, yeah, I was just waiting for Triple-A. He pulled up and parked in front of me, came back and said, 'Hey, come up and sit with me and stay warm while you wait.' So we were there in his car for an hour and a half, talking the whole time. He was so kind. I just hate that these few bad cops are making it harder for all the good ones! Police just don't deserve this rap!" Wow. I was so heartened by her comments! I mean, all my experiences with cops have been really postitive, too [and I think I'm probably obviously gay to most people]. But I was so happily surprised that an obvious transsexual would have such a positive point of view on her experience with cops. THANK YOU, police officers! She's right. Most of you are amazing! And, to my LGBTQ friends... If you're fearing the po-po don't like you because of who you are, you might want to feel a little less pre-judgemental and a little more relaxed.>>
Originally Posted By Tikiduck There is a huge difference between badmouthing and expressing facts in an attempt to right some terrible wrongs. Certainly a difference that seems beyond your grasp.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 But the majority aren't committing wrongs. And yes that is what you are implying
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Police shot and killed a man in PA, he shot at an officer. Just want to make sure something like this is acceptable <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pennsylvania-police-officer-shot-while-serving-warrant-second-officer-kills-suspect/">http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pe...suspect/</a>
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Remember in Baltimore the police are the problem <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://m.wbaltv.com/news/police-several-people-shot-in-east-baltimore/33129870">http://m.wbaltv.com/news/polic...33129870</a>
