Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<So the white male privilege ASSumption is false>> Any white American male who's been able to finish high school and have the opportunity to attend even community college (whether or not he actually went) AND especially hold down a steady permanent job with an annual salary or pay rate higher than the Federal poverty line is effn P-R-I-V-I-L-E-G-E-D compared to the non-whites in this country. Most non-whites struggle with poverty and poor educational offerings and the basic ability to be hired for a decent job that doesn't pay slave wages. FACT: White high school dropouts earn more money over their working lifetimes than African-Americans and Hispanics with college degrees: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/10/white-high-school-dropouts-are-wealthier-than-black-and-hispanic-college-graduates-can-a-new-policy-tool-fix-that">http://www.washingtonpost.com/...fix-that</a> Don't talk to me about the non-existence of white male privilege, DAR. Even being born on the other side of the tracks in this country, as a white male, gives you all sorts of opportunities as a matter of birth right, that are not afforded non-white males or most women. Everything in our religious institutions, our government, our law enforcement, our courts, our educational system, our military... everything is geared towards protecting and reinforcing the patriarchy. Doesn't matter whether or not you choose to accept your privileged status as a white male... you've got it, buddy. Period. And there are plenty of FACTS to support the conclusion.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 "Wilson and other officers tend to talk about other blacks as if they were animals". It's right there
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Yeah I'm sure the white male working a factory job for 12 hours a day trying to provide for his family and pay the bills thinks boy this privilege I have is sure making the living easy
Originally Posted By ecdc >>It's right there<< "tend to talk about" is not the same as "thinks they are animals." Tends to talk about does not equate with "all white cops are bad," which is, again, how you represented what I said because it is easier for you to attack a straw man than what people actually say. In study after study, it is a proven fact that white Americans describe and talk about black Americans differently than they do white Americans. White Americans tend to describe African Americans in less glowing or charitable terms than they do others. Cops are no different. When unarmed black men get gunned down by public servants who are armed and paid by the state, it is reasonable to expect questions to be raised. When all evidence points to disparate treatment by the state (and cops) of one race over another, it is reasonable to expect the race receiving the disparate treatment to raise objections. How such simple concepts elude you is beyond me. Dude...why am I even bothering? I really should know better than to not play the Whack-a-Mole game. I'm done suffering fools gladly.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Good story here <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://wtvr.com/2015/05/18/virginia-state-trooper-viral-photo/">http://wtvr.com/2015/05/18/vir...l-photo/</a>
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Yes, I suppose technically the verdict was correct. 137 shots were fired by police at the victims, with Timothy Russel having 23 bullet wounds and Malissa Williams having 24. It was probably impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the fatal shots were fired by Officer Brelo. But over-reaction by the police much? The police started a high speed chase involving over 100 officers in 60 vehicles because the victims car backfired as it passed police headquarters. Neither victim was armed.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<And the right verdict was reached(shocking I know)>> You're correct for once, DAR. They got what they deserved. Drug addicts with a long criminal record. They were also homeless. Can't keep a roof over your heads? Worthless bums. And the guy had convictions for drugs and attempted abductions. Officer Brelo was completely justified in assuming these two -- who didn't stop for the officers chasing them -- had an arsenal of advanced high powered weaponry in their possession, which rightfully, the cop believed would be used against him and his fellow officers. So... he stood on the hood of their parked car and fired 137 rounds of ammo into their windshield. Gotta make damned certain that they don't fire back, right? Officer Brelo stood on the hood of their car and fired 137 times through the windshield. Let me repeat that again. Officer Brelo stood on the hood of their car and fired 137 times through the windshield. But it serves them right. They failed to stop for the cops. They were drug-addicted criminals. They were homeless. They were WORTHLESS. Lazy, effn, no good m*th&rs. W-O-R-T-H-L-E-S-S sh!ts they were! They deserved to D-I-E!! HOW DARE THEY NOT STOP FOR THE COPS!! DIE! YOU M*THERS! D-I-E!! Right, DAR? This is what you believe, right? Black lives like these two do not matter. The protesters got it wrong. Not *every* black life matters. These two were scum of the earth! Good riddance! And bless you, Officer Brelo! BLESS YOU!! For getting rid of these effn n*gg&r scum and making our white bread society a much safer and welcoming place!! BTW, DAR... GO F YOURSELF!!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Not all 137 shots were fired by Brelo. Not even a majority of them... most were fired by other officers. That is why he wasn't convicted. By the time he crawled on the hood and shot point-blank through the windshield, they were already dead. But yeah, total over-reaction by the police department. Shooting people who are already dead is apparently not a crime. Disgusting, but not a crime.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 RT I'm going to respond to you because you're not an insane person. 137 shots is definitely excessive I agree there.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/23/us/cleveland-police-verdict/">http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/23/...verdict/</a> Read through what the judge in the case decided. His reasons seem pretty sound. Oh and a 22 mile chase at speeds of up to 100 miles? That car becomes a deadly weapon at that point. I'm what if the driver would have crashed into another car or hit a pedestrian?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder It's post like 230 that keep me from coming around much anymore.
Originally Posted By ecdc LOL. Yes, the car is a deadly weapon when it's driven by two homeless people, but when it's driven by dozens of cops following them it's just the law trying to protect people. That makes perfect sense! Also notes irony of DDMAN expecting someone to act perfectly rationally in every situation. Here we are, back to the same binary, black and white thinking.
Originally Posted By ecdc Scientists should archive this thread. It's a case study in just about every cognitive bias and logical fallacy known to man. Here's the latest one on display: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...pothesis</a>
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Whatever you say. I know in your world and in Skinner's world criminals especially African American are just these downtrodden people fighting against injustice. You know how you don't get in trouble with the law? By not getting in trouble with the law. So yeah it really is black and white.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I'll say this about post 230 if I or any other member talked like that to another poster it would have been removed or Skinner would have created another topic asking where the moderators are.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>By not getting in trouble with the law. So yeah it really is black and white.<< No, it's just the luxury of ignorance that allows a person to think like that. Shocker: life is almost always more complex than you think it is. I guess the several hundred people who were proven through DNA to be innocent of murder after spending decades on death row were responsible for that, too.
Originally Posted By ecdc Note to self: the media daring to question or criticize how police do things is anathema, but cops pumping hundreds of bullets into unarmed people or arresting the wrong person and coercing confessions out of them is no big whoop because rationality.
