Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I never said white males are perfect. I never said black males are imperfect. But of course thanks for twisting my words to fit your agenda.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 The police officer shot in NY died the other day. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://news.yahoo.com/york-police-officer-shot-head-dies-injuries-newspaper-170006328.html">http://news.yahoo.com/york-pol...328.html</a> This is what a negative portrayal of the police brings.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip No, it happens because people have been shooting at cops for a long, long time. They only difference now is the way conservative media likes to connect the dots. People in positions of power are targets of people with grudges. They always have been. There have been 43 people elected president in the history of the United States. Four of them (almost 10%) were assassinated while in office. And you think cops have it bad??
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I never said white males are perfect.<< Wait...so you're telling me that even though you haven't repeatedly and publicly condemned the actions of white criminals, it doesn't mean you approve of white criminal behavior? You're suggesting that maybe a reasonable approach might be to assume that people generally condemn violence and they probably shouldn't be required to answer for the actions of a tiny minority of people who happen to be the same race as them? And that maybe branding an entire race of people as indifferent to violence in their own communities is a stupid, ignorant-as-hell, bigoted thing to say? Interesting....
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 No I clarified earlier that it's more out of fear that violence isn't condemned.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>No I clarified earlier that it's more out of fear that violence isn't condemned.<< So it's out of fear that you don't repeatedly condemn white Christian male violence and white on white crime?
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I condemn all crime no matter who commits it, unlike you guys. This is also why we can't ever have honest discussions about race in this country because certain people have white guilt..
Originally Posted By wa6oqc >>>I condemn all crime no matter who commits it, unlike you guys.<<< The problem is the definition of crime. In one state if you trim your trees and then burn the branches you can be arrested for polluting. In another state if you do the same thing you are doing your civic duty.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "I condemn all crime no matter who commits it, unlike you guys. " So did I. Who didn't, exactly? I think you're reading things that weren't written.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: The solution for stopping violence is actually both simple and difficult at the same time. Each individual on this planet needs to take responsibility for his or her own actions instead of looking for someone else to blame. This is easy to say and difficult for some to demonstrate. ORWEN: It seems so hard for most people control their emotions. ORDDU: It's all too easy for any one of us to lose control of our undisciplined thoughts, our unreasonable responses to others whom we have a conflict with. You see this happening right here within the Laughing Place pond from time to time. ORWEN: Too many children grow up without learning how to control themselves. The don't want rules. They just want to do whatever they want even if it means hurting others. That makes them dangerous by the time they're adults. ORDDU: We believe there are forces of both Good and evil in this world. Ultimately everyone has to decide if they want to be influenced by the God of Love or the god of hate. Depending on what each individual chooses for him or herself is what makes the difference between a life of rewarding love or miserable hatred and desolation. But, then, you already know this. ORWEN: Still it doesn't hurt to remind each other about the obvious...
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: One more thing to add is that I was recently reading an article which stated that police brutality in America, today, is just as unfair against other groups of people as it is towards Blacks. But the media under reports this fact which fuels the race riots. It's as if there is an evil agenda at work to mislead everyone into thinking one group is more mistreated than another. This is most unfair to everyone since it doesn't present all the facts and leaves most people with an unclear perception.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer "There have been 43 people elected president in the history of the United States. Four of them (almost 10%) were assassinated while in office." Looked it up. It's staggering how many assassination attempts there are. An additional two were wounded by assassination attempts, and 11 others had assassination attempts made against them but the attempts were either thwarted at the last minute (like Lynette Fromme against Ford) or stopped shortly before the attempt would have been carried out. 4 assassinations, 2 woundings, and 11 attempts. That's 17 out of 43
Originally Posted By TomSawyer "Depending on what each individual chooses for him or herself is what makes the difference between a life of rewarding love or miserable hatred and desolation." Wish it was easier to tell which was which. There are a lot of folks out there who think they are worshipping the god of love by denying people who are in love the right to marry.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<One more thing to add is that I was recently reading an article which stated that police brutality in America, today, is just as unfair against other groups of people as it is towards Blacks.>> This is true. Springfield, MO recently had the distinction of being named the city with the highest violent crime rate in the U.S. for a city of its size. There is also a fair number of police shootings of unarmed people here. Often the people shot had mental issues and really had no understanding of what the police wanted them to do. Race is rarely a factor in either the crime rate or the unarmed victims shot. Both are almost entirely white. The Springfield Black population is less than 3%. Of course unless you live in SW Missouri like I do know one ever hears about that. It just isn't something the Media has any interest in publicizing.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>This is also why we can't ever have honest discussions about race in this country because certain people have white guilt.<< LOL. I can't wait for the "honest" discussion to start. Privileged white people lecturing black Americans on violence...that's rich. "Hey, there's no racism and we're targeted by cops just as much as you guys." --White People The real honest discussion starts with the acknowledgement that the United States is founded on white supremacy and that it remains deeply, systemically racist, especially in its criminal justice system, from the death penalty on down to pot arrests. One could assume one doesn't know everything and read "The New Jim Crow" for a start, or one could just say the answer is in black men pulling up their pants, being better fathers, and turning down their music.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <One more thing to add is that I was recently reading an article which stated that police brutality in America, today, is just as unfair against other groups of people as it is towards Blacks. > Anyone can be brutalized by a brutal cop, but the stats just don't bear out your assertion. And in terms of things like incarceration rate and length of sentencing (for the same crimes), it's not even close.
Originally Posted By ecdc I get it, fellow white people. You got pulled over a couple of times for speeding when you were barely going over the limit. The cop gave you attitude and wrote you a big fat ticket and, damnit all to hell, you're a productive member of society and doesn't he have anything better to do, like catching some *real* criminals for a change? But, as hard as it might be to believe, your anecdotal experience isn't ironclad proof that cops treat everyone like dirt, not just black Americans. Here's a nice takedown of the absurd notion that cops are just big ole' meanie pants to everyone: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.vox.com/2015/5/7/8562077/police-racism-implicit-bias">http://www.vox.com/2015/5/7/85...cit-bias</a> (Actually, I imagine that in most of their interactions, especially with white Americans, cops are polite and decent.)
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Anyone can be brutalized by a brutal cop, but the stats just don't bear out your assertion. And in terms of things like incarceration rate and length of sentencing (for the same crimes), it's not even close.>> I have no doubt that things are worse for Black people so we can get that out of the way right at the start. But I have seen locally how a high crime rate (fueled by SW MO's meth problem) breeds very aggressive and at times brutal law enforcement... regardless of race. That type of response seems to produce even more crime and the whole things starts to spiral out of control. I've seen things really deteriorate in Springfield just over the six years I've lived in this area. In the past my wife and I considered moving to Springfield. Her job is there, my doctors are there, most entertainment, dining and shopping options are there. But with things the way they are now we will be staying in our sleepy little suburban town 15 miles to the south... even though the whole danged place shuts its doors and turns out the lights at 10 PM.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<Anyone can be brutalized by a brutal cop, but the stats just don't bear out your assertion. And in terms of things like incarceration rate and length of sentencing (for the same crimes), it's not even close.>> <I have no doubt that things are worse for Black people so we can get that out of the way right at the start. But I have seen locally how a high crime rate (fueled by SW MO's meth problem) breeds very aggressive and at times brutal law enforcement... regardless of race.> Well, then, we essentially just said the same thing.
