Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "Um, yes. It's called budget. Merely building a duplicate of Disneyland Paris' Orbiter was much much cheaper then designing a new, lighter one." Well, like others have said, it would really have been much cheaper to just retheme the existing rocket jets rather than build an exact copy of DLP's Astro Orbiter. I hate that thing at the entrance to Tomorrowland. It seems so forced, and really does ruin the feel of the hub. I hope somehow they move it back to it's original location. There was nothing quite like the thrill of being up so high and feeling like you really were flying off in a rocket! The ground based version has little thrill.
Originally Posted By mrrogers I was at Disneyland last month and the cast member at the tiki room was talking tot he audience about some of the old attractions and actually said that the Incredibles Peoplemover would be coming out soon. So, I don't know if that has already been shared on these boards...but there you go.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>the Incredibles Peoplemover would be coming out soon<< Someone check on oc_dean - I just heard something pop in his direction. It almost sounded like someone's head exploding.
Originally Posted By SONiCSenshi Ok here go, here is the image. <a href="http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g275/SONiCSenshi/Disneyland/RocketRodsLayoutConceptArt.jpg" target="_blank">http://i58.photobucket.com/alb ums/g275/SONiCSenshi/Disneyland/RocketRodsLayoutConceptArt.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By oc_dean <a href="http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/cfu0150l.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.cartoonstock.com/lo wres/cfu0150l.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By dr jones Does anyone remember being say, in Fantasyland back in the day and looking over and seeing the Rocket Jets for the first time, flying high above Tommorrowland and thinking WOW! whats happening over there?. You just couldn't wait to get over there. I remember those initial discoveries of all the lands as a kid, THE BEST! As I said in a previous post, Rocket Jets Yes, And back atop their lofty perch!!
Originally Posted By SONiCSenshi It is a layout of Rocket Rods and concept color scheme of "new" tomorrowland. I used to have a really nice high resolution version, but it didn't survive the hard disk crash of 2003. So hopefully one of you out there also took a photo of it while in the Disney Gallery, or know someone who did, etc and will share it with us. ^_^
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "So now that we can see that picture, SONiCSenshi, wtf is it?" I was thinking the same thing, Jim. HAAAAHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA! Too funny.
Originally Posted By warpdrvr I believe it's the path taken by the Peoplemover/Rocket Rods through TL
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Yeah, but that was just another example of Eisner era cheap off-the-shelf spinners and such that got plopped down al over the place. Paradise Pier is full of such cheap plops. >>> I absolutely *love* the terminology. I think from now on, I will refer to superficially-rethemed off-the-shelf amusement park rides that rear their ugly heads inside a Disney park as "plops." Somehow, that word is just so descriptive.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I just keep thinking now - Can this all be an indicator for a new Peoplemover?? [panting, panting, panting] >>> Oh, the PeopleMover! One can only hope. If the ultra-rumors are even a bit true, I have high expectations. There's just no way that the PeopleMover in its original form will be back (as much as some of us would like it), as they would never be able to justify the expense. But if they were able to make it into something that appealed to the current masses as well as interested us nostalics, they might have a winner on their hands. And, it would go a long way to restoring the "world on the move" aspect that used to be such a vital aspect of TL.
Originally Posted By gadzuux While I'm not exactly against a return of the peoplemover, neither does the idea excite me. Through the years that it's been gone, the best people could say is that it was a nice place to sit and relax - hardly a ringing endorsement. It will be hard to make a new peoplemover much more streamlined and modern. Clunky buckets in easter egg colors that meandered around TL at a pokey pace, with no particular purpose other than to sit and gawk. To be fair, I rode PM on pretty much every visit to both DL and MK for all the years they were there, and thought it was a pleasant ride. So I'm not trying to bash PM. But this is a new day, and if the "new peoplemover" just turns out to be a straight lift of the earlier version, I'm afraid it would be a bit ho-hum today. Let's face it, they were a bit ho-hum when they closed. Yet how much can they really do to improve upon it? They tried making it zippier with rocketrods and they ended up taking what was one of the most dependable, highest capacity attractions and turned it into a low capacity high maintenance nightmare. I can undestand why they just walked away from the entire concept. They could make the vehicles look a little sleeker, but even then it's easy to overdue it and end up with something "cartoony" looking - like the jetsons. Then there's the problem with the whole "back forty" - that portion of the track that meanders around over autopia and the sub lagoon. I still harbor a secret hope that this 'spaghetti-bowl" area will be redeveloped into something much better than concrete viaducts, trackways, roadways and beamways it is today. If they invest a truckload of money in infrastructure and seismic upgrades, it will literally "cement" the atmosphere in this area for generations to come. Honestly I'd prefer to see them use the money involved in this 'repeat performance' of tomorrowland alllocated towards something new and better - and isn't that the true spirit of tomorrowland? Instead, it's beginning to look like we're going to get a "new" sub ride, a "new" monorail, a "new" space mountain, a "new" startours, and a "new" peoplemover - all of them remarkably similar to the old one. Let me know when disneyland gets something that really is "new". Then I'll get excited. Heck, I was excited when I first heard about indy, splash, and the first space mountain. Then again, I was excited about TL98, lightmagic, and DCA too. So I've beened fooled before.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Let me know when disneyland gets something that really is "new".>> It's gotta be hard to come up with something new, especially under the guise of a Tomorrowland. Society doesn't have nearly the passion or excitement about the future as it once did; rather, we're all more cynical I think. While we seem to enjoy the constant changes in technology, I don't think anyone thinks it's actually making our lives any easier.
Originally Posted By oc_dean The thing I feel Gadzuux, is Peoplemovers are not part of our mainstream society, yet. Just the concept of an overhead transport going into and coming out of buildings is (still after 40 years) - quite futuristic. Especially if they create a design quite different than what sat from '67 to '95. With 20th century freeways in our nation coming to a crawl these days in the early 21st (example:any SoCal freeway!) ... Seeing a system that never comes to a "rush hour" crawl - is looking quite futuristic in our eyes today. So there's two factors right there that play into thought here. Plus ... if Disney can take the traditional Fantasyland dark ride to a "new level" with *360-SPINNING* vehicles in Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin .. and take the 40 year old omnimover and add laser pistols along with the interactivity of spinning our own omnimover .......... Then I think Disney can take the "Peoplemover" experience to a "new" level by adding something ~interesting~. Another thing is ....... the 1967 Peoplemover had an hourly capacity of 4,880 people per hour. That's TWICE of Pirates of the Caribbean! And when it gets OUT-OF-CONTROL busy in the park - A high capacity TL attraction would be a smart investment. The track is already there. So a big chunk of their costs is taken care of.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<With 20th century freeways in our nation coming to a crawl these days in the early 21st (example:any SoCal freeway!) ... Seeing a system that never comes to a "rush hour" crawl - is looking quite futuristic in our eyes today.>> But a PM is still mass transportation, and unless it's moving at unheard-of speeds, it is not exciting to most people. <<I think Disney can take the "Peoplemover" experience to a "new" level by adding something ~interesting~.>> I think the only thing they could do to a new PM to make it interesting would be to have show elements as part of the experience. Obviously the old PM had them; the Tron tunnel comes to mind. Otherwise, how can one make a short-haul public transportation vehicle interesting?
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA To me, the Peoplemover is the equivalent of the Disneyland Railroad. The Disneyland Railroad takes you on a grand circle tour of Disneyland... The Peoplemover took you on a grand circle tour of Tomorrowland. They're both nice, relaxing rides, where you can rest your feet, get your bearings, and decide what you're going to do next.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss ^^Agreed. I think the only thing I would want in a new is a smoother ride... at the end, the old PM was rather bumpy.
