Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Blinded by faith works just as well. You got nothin', josh, nothin'.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Someone is only blind when they don't see the truth. We've posted dozens of examples of the truth on these discussion boards, with regard to the lies being told by Romney. I'm not blinded by hate, Josh. I got the truth on my side. You're the one who's blind.
Originally Posted By Tikiduck Poor Josh, he takes a lickin and keeps on tickin! The fact is, Romney is indefensible, at least to logical and progressive people. Even the rich know they are backing a Weasel. I doubt that even Brigham Young would endorse him. Young had principals, and usually stuck to them.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer What else is there beside honesty, Josh? His principals? What is it about his character that shows that his principals are anything more than jockeying for position? His faith is even a prelude to power and prestige. He's a Mormon because he was born in to one of the first families of Mormonism. He's the great-great-grandson of the guy they call the Paul of Mormonism. The Pratt and Romney names run through Mormon history like the Chase and Roosevelt names run through American history. His name endows him with privilege. There is nothing in this man's history that shows that he has any kind of a spine or moral center. His own party describes him as a liar, as a flip-flopper, as unelectable. I can understand if you are voting against Obama. That would at least be a position. But voting in favor of Romney when Romney himself has never taken a firm stand on anything in his entire life just doesn't make sense.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Poor Josh, he takes a lickin and keeps on tickin!" The predictable display of back and forth with Josh and is willful ignorance on political issues and his faith have been happening here for at least 4 or 5 years now. Snore.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer You've yet to say exactly what it is that you support when it comes to Romney, Josh.
Originally Posted By utahjosh I like this: <a href="http://www.mittromney.com/JobsPlan" target="_blank">http://www.mittromney.com/JobsPlan</a> And I like that he shares my same values and faith. And I like that I can support him without having to explain myself and without constantly trying to point out Obamas faults or calling those who support him dim-witted, etc...
Originally Posted By TomSawyer So, what is it specifically in his plan to reduce the deficit that you think is better than Obama's plan?
Originally Posted By utahjosh Bigger cuts in Big government when appropriate, for example. I don't feel the need to explain it all - I'm not going to convince anyone around here to change their mind.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>And I like that he shares my same values and faith.<< But Josh, thats the thing. He SAYS he does, but then he acts very differently out in the real world. I think he does your faith a disservice in the way he's all over the map -- "severe conservative" to one audience, a much more centrist tone later down the road. Support him for his politics, if you believe in his policies (ever-changing and difficult to pinpoint as they may be.) But please, out of respect for your faith and you church, stop attaching those values to him, because I don't think you value lies and half-truths. If he is a severe conservative, he's lying by pretending to be moderate. If he is truly a moderate, he's lying to the far right by claiming to be one of them. He does not seem to be "walking the walk."
Originally Posted By TomSawyer What cuts specifically? The only things that he has said specifically that he would cut are PBS and FEMA. What is he going to cut? And if you don't know - because he hasn't said - how do you know that he would cut the right things?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I'm not going to convince anyone around here to change their mind.<< You're right about that. I am just confounded that you would talk about his "values" when no one knows what they really are. It's kind of like saying you like his "decisiveness" when he waffles constantly. Darn. Now I want waffles.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Josh, you are drinking kool-aid if you're falling for this: "Part two of the plan is trade that works for America. Mitt believes that trade can offer enormous opportunities for American businesses and workers, but only if they are given a level playing field on which they can compete and win. That is why he will work to open new markets for American goods and services, while also confronting nations like China that cheat on trade and steal American jobs." So Mitt claims that China is "stealing American jobs." Question: Did China "steal" the Sensata factory jobs that Bain Capital is in the process of outsourcing? Romney is a hypocrite, Josh. Romney is still the single largest shareholder of Bain Capital. Bain Capital is still the single largest shareholder of Sensata. Romney has continuously refused over and over and over again to meet with the Sensata factory workers in Freeport, Illinois about their jobs being sent overseas to CHINA. Romney knows all about the closing the Sensata factory before the end of this year. Yet he refuses to discuss it with anyone. Does he believe, as the single largest shareholder of Bain Capital, that China is "stealing" those Sensata jobs? Of course not! Mitt is fully and completely compliant in the "theft" of American jobs by Asian countries like China. And he hasn't done a single damned thing to prevent the "theft" of American jobs where he has a direct stake in the ownership of the company that is 'losing' those jobs to offshore facilities! If Romney cannot or will not intervene to prevent the loss of American jobs where he has direct influence... why the hell would anyone ever expect him to prevent the loss of American jobs where he doesn't? You need to wake the F up, Josh, and start acknowledging the *real* Mitt Romney. Not the *fake* Mitt Romney.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "And I like that I can support him without having to explain myself and without constantly trying to point out Obamas faults or calling those who support him dim-witted, etc..." Do you understand why some people call his supporters dim-witted Josh?
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Nobody should ever have to defend their vote, you vote for who you want to vote for.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <If Romney cannot or will not intervene to prevent the loss of American jobs where he has direct influence... why the hell would anyone ever expect him to prevent the loss of American jobs where he doesn't?> Great question.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer "Nobody should ever have to defend their vote" Why not? If you are going to come out in favor of something or someone, others have the right to question or challenge why.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Skinner, I'm not going to have a conversation with someone who tells me to "wake the F up." Who do you think you are, Samuel Jackson?
