Originally Posted By skinnerbox Very good, Josh. Go ahead and focus on my language instead of dealing with subject matter that makes you uncomfortable. You know I'm correct about this issue with Romney and jobs. But you don't have the courage to accept it. So you use some stupid immature excuse to justify your refusal to discuss the issues I raised. Issues, I might add, which you initially brought up by posting that link to Romney's web site! Apparently, you can dish it out but you can't take it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder We've said it before. josh supports Romney because he's Mormon. There is NO other reason. To keep asking him why is to get these same non-answers. Mormon, that's it.
Originally Posted By utahjosh I'm curious, do many of you who support Obama spend any time in other discussion boards that are dominated by conservatives? What is your experience there? What other sites do you visit?
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<I'm curious, do many of you who support Obama spend any time in other discussion boards that are dominated by conservatives? What is your experience there? What other sites do you visit?>> GEEZ! You really, *really* don't want to discuss Romney's hypocrisy about shipping American jobs to China. How will you change the subject next, Josh? Ask the posters what they think of the Lucasfilm purchase by Disney?
Originally Posted By utahjosh Like this thread has followed one specific course? You think I'm going to just answer all of your questions? I'm not here to defend each and every action by Romney.
Originally Posted By utahjosh You call me a coward, stupid, immature, and more...and you think you deserve my attention? You're WAY off base.
Originally Posted By fkurucz Why do you guys bother arguing with Josh? We all already why he's pro Romney.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 <<We've said it before. josh supports Romney because he's Mormon. There is NO other reason. To keep asking him why is to get these same non-answers. Mormon, that's it.>> To be fair to Josh, there are a lot of non-Mormon Republicans who are supporting Romney regardless of the fact that he plays fast and loose with facts. Some just do not like the president, some are single issue voters who truly believe that Romney and/or the Republican party are right on whichever issue is important to them. I have seen quite a few threads where everyone immediately jumps on calling out Josh and his religion every time Romney lies or does something wrong. While I disagree with Josh a lot of the time, and I personally am disgusted with Romney's repeated lies and am very frustrated with the people who are willing to believe those lies despite all evidence to the contrary, I think that expecting Josh to answer for all of the things Romney says or does because they belong to the same religion is wrong, as is assigning blame for Romney's lies to all Mormons. By all means, ask Josh to explain his reasons for agreeing with or disagreeing Romney's views, but I just think some of these posts are attacking him personally, instead of discussing whichever issue is at hand.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I'm curious, do many of you who support Obama spend any time in other discussion boards that are dominated by conservatives? What is your experience there? What other sites do you visit?" I'm wondering why anyone would even consider responding to this when you've purposely refused to answer questions directed at you. Can you not see why so few take what you say seriously?
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<By all means, ask Josh to explain his reasons for agreeing with or disagreeing Romney's views...>> That's what I've been doing for weeks. That's what many of us have been doing for weeks. But Josh refuses to give us actual reasons for why he agrees with Romney's views. He just points to Romney's web site and says, "There it is. This is what I agree with." And when we start posting parts of the web site here in WE, pointing out the contradictions between what is stated on the web site versus what Romney has stated during interviews or public events or even what he's actually done as Massachusetts Governor or CEO of Bain Capital... Josh disappears or ignores the contradictions or changes the topic altogether. This has been going on for so long now, it was inevitable for posters here to start calling him out on his own hypocrisy. He keeps slamming Obama for falsehoods being told by the Romney campaign or the GOP PACs or Fox News, et al, which we've been able to disprove readily with verifiable facts, which Josh ignores. Then he starts talking up Romney again and how he supports him and what a terrific leader he would be as President, without giving us any explanation as to why he feels that way, except to point to a campaign web site loaded up with talking points and very little substance. Josh refuses to point to Romney's record as CEO of Bain Capital, or Romney's record as Massachusetts Governor, as reasons for why he supports the guy. So everyone here in WE who follows along, logically drew the conclusion that the real reason Josh was supporting Romney was simply the fact that Romney was a Mormon like Josh. Given the dozens of times Josh has had the opportunity to address Romney's hypocritical statements and half-truths and misinformation when questioned about them by us, the Obama supporters, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's really driving Josh's support of Romney. If Obama were conducting his campaign in the same fashion as Romney is, Josh would be slamming him for dishonesty and hypocrisy every single day! The fact that he can turn such a blind eye to obvious garbage coming out of Romney's camp that even fellow GOP politicians and major corporate business leaders are calling out Romney for promoting, is very telling. Josh continues to speak out of both sides of his mouth, where one side boasts about his religion giving him strength to follow Jesus' example of how to live his life, while the other side condones a political candidate who is proven to have lived pretty much the opposite of what Jesus preached in the Beatitudes. How can someone claim to be a follower of Jesus, who preached at length about honesty and respect and helping the less fortunate, all the while praising an individual who's a pathological liar and narcissistic selfish greed head whose only concern in life is how to amass as much wealth and power as possible, even if it means lying and cheating and screwing over those less fortunate than himself? This is why Josh gets attacked for his religious beliefs, Jenn. He keeps preaching to us what a wonderful religion LDS is, how much he strives to follow Jesus... then pretty much chucks it all out the window by defending a very non-Christ-like Mitt Romney. Since he cannot be completely honest about the fact that he's mainly supporting Romney because he's a Mormon, Josh tries to turn the tables back onto us for asking him to defend his indefensible position. This is a situation he's willingly put himself into here in WE. He doesn't have to engage us in this stuff; it's his choice to do so. I'm not exactly sure why you feel he needs defending for something he's in complete control to stop.
Originally Posted By Tikiduck Romney is not non-Christ, he is Anti-Christ! They should have nick-named him Damien!
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Since he cannot be completely honest about the fact that he's mainly supporting Romney because he's a Mormon,> I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES THAT THE FACT THAT WE SHARE A FAITH IS A MAJOR REASON FOR MY SUPPORT. Yes, that was supposed to be shouting.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Because you support Obama and have some inner hatred of Mormons, you look for every little possible thing that Romney has done wrong and blow it out of proportion. I see his mistakes and can understand them and continue to support Mitt, and that drives you bonkers. I have called him out in the past for things he's done that I dislike. The last Ad was misleading, and I'm disappointed they did it. Skinner - I'm really wondering why you are so concerned with me about it. It's like a fixation or something.
Originally Posted By utahjosh A few people might disagree that Mitt Romney is a "pathological liar and narcissistic selfish greed head whose only concern in life is how to amass as much wealth and power as possible, even if it means lying and cheating and screwing over those less fortunate than himself." Millions of people, in fact. Plus probably 100% of those who ACTUALLY know him would likely disagree.
Originally Posted By Tikiduck Romney Shmomney, bring on the election so we can forget all about him, and the President can get back to his job. In two weeks, he will be about as relevant as Dan Quayle.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer IN two weeks, the GOP will be saying that he wasn't conservative enough and they will lurch even farther to the right to dig up their 2016 standard bearer.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 If the usual pattern holds, they'll nominate the 2nd place guy from last time, which means Santorum. I can't wait to see Hillary wipe the floor with Little Ricky. After Santorum loses, MAYBE, just maybe, the GOP will figure out that they have to stop letting the tea party wag the dog, and moderate their message. Something like what the Democrats did after 1988 when they created the DLC (the Republicans may have to do something similar). The adults will certainly have to realize that demographically they're going nowhere, especially if they alienate Hispanics (fastest growing group in the country) and young people who frown on anti-gay and anti-woman crap. In 1988 the Democrats had lost 5 of the past 6 presidential elections, and created the DLC in response. If Obama wins on Tuesday, the Republicans will have lost 4 of the last 6, and 5 of the last 6 popular votes on the presidential level. You'd think that would make them do something similar, but I think they'll be a little more stubborn, and the far right will indeed simply insist that they lost because they weren't conservative ENOUGH. Then when Hillary trounces Santorum, they'll finally get it. Long range predictions, free of charge.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer After the last couple of days, it seems like Chris Christie is positioning himself as the moderate choice for the GOP.
