Originally Posted By Mr X Well, he did help out Iran quite alot, along with a band of Nicaraguan Guerillas. That's gotta count for *something*. As far as he being the best, it's unbelievable to me that fools would give a pass to such a scandal ridden administration. Real historians never rank him particularly high.
Originally Posted By Oldschool Disney I wonder if some if you get hacked off when you watch the opening day of Disneyland.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I do, I hated the man that much. He had to look at the script to see the park was busy, built his governor mansion on an indian burial ground, broke international law on numerous occassions, broke down detente initially, and oh so many cut backs in education and social programmes. No hero to me, quite the opposite. What is scary is he seemed quite the statesman compared the Shrub Jr. Scary thought.
Originally Posted By Labuda Minor point, Dave - Shrub is Jr. Luckily he has no sons, so there will never be a Shrub Jr. His Daddy was Spook (I would NEVER trust a former head of the CIA - GOOD GOD!), and Dubya was Shrub. RIP, Molly.
Originally Posted By Oldschool Disney Really I guess I can't retroactively put my hate because at the time it was made the things Reagan did didn't yet occur. Then I again I still laugh at OJ's scenes in the Naked Gun movies.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Lol Ann, SPOOK was still a lesser evil than Shrub, though both evil they were. Like most GOP of the late 20thC. Oldschool Disney, how do you feel about the clips of Hitler at the 1930's Olympics?
Originally Posted By Oldschool Disney I may disagree with President Obama on certain issues, but he at least deserves from me as voter and taxpayer to be addressed President Obama and not some nickname that sounds condescending. Just my 200 pennies.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Respect has to be earned. And Bush Jr, only earned my contempt. The war criminal wasn't even democratically elected. Thay is called a dictator or despot in poorer countries the US is interested in taking over.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I have worked with global statesmen. Some I address with respect, and others with disdain. And I choose to use my mind and my freedom of speech to say what I think and feel. May not always be the smartest thing, but then I choose how to engage the mind too.
Originally Posted By Oldschool Disney <<Oldschool Disney, how do you feel about the clips of Hitler at the 1930's Olympics?>> There were already rumblings in Europe that Hitler was a bad guy and things could go bad soon. And speaking of Hitler that's another thing that needs to stop, comparing today's politicians to Hitler. Whether it's President Obama with his health care proposal or the Governor of Wisconsin, Walker and his proposals. Nothing either man is doing is even close to what Hitler did. Frankly it's insulting to the deceased and survivors of the interment camps and the allied soliders who fought to liberate the world from him.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Actually, I disagree. Hitler started as a "normal" politician. Policies developed further and further and finally we ended up with aweful situations such as invading Poland, the final solution etc. But the majority of vets were simply young men doing what their politicians told them to do. Heroes yes, but so are teachers and social workers. But that is another tangent. If we turn the icons of Hitler and Stalin into monsters, it dehumanises them, and almost admonishes them. And that is dangerous. We must truly learn from history. In the nature of my business, when I see how much it costs to take care of a disabled or elderly person (e.g. the average care of a poor elder costs as much in their short lifetime of going into care than they probably earned in their working life) I can understand the economy of the financial solution. Scary, but thankfully my ethics stop me from condoning it. But to blanketly make it taboo to discuss something of this nature means that those vets, including my grand father died in vain. And living in Europe now, I understand that other than losing people who came over here, America really had little clue of what was going on. Same with the cold war really. But then that is what my thesis was all about. The fiction of the cold war fuelling the reality - a post positivist perspective of the paradigm.
Originally Posted By Oldschool Disney Say that last part five times really fast. But again Reagan was not Hitler you can't draw those comparasons.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo No, but the comparison I can draw is looking at the opening day of DL and hating Reagan the way I did, makes it hard for me to enjoy seeing him on the screen. Kind of like how I used to enjoy Schwartznegger and Mel Gibson movies, but their actions since have made them hard for me to enjoy. That is the parallel I am drawing here. Maybe they would have been better analogies, but I occassionally enjoy the Hitler debate.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I did see that poll that ranked Reagan #1, and all it did was make me shake my head at how depressingly ignorant the American public has become. And not just for ranking Reagan so highly. Lincoln was ranked #2, one point higher than Bill Clinton at #3. Washington was down at #5. Clinton (and Kennedy at #4) were decent presidents, but hardly greater than Washington. Obama was ranked #7 and George W. Bush #10 (!), tied with Jefferson (!!). So basically the top ten were either modern presidents, or the presidents we have on our money, so the poll respondents were familiar with them and figured they had to be good. It was obvious the respondents were completely unfamiliar with American history, and completely ignorant of presidents like Polk, Madison, or even a more modern president like Eisenhower (all of whom were better presidents than Reagan).
Originally Posted By Oldschool Disney <<Kind of like how I used to enjoy Schwartznegger and Mel Gibson movies, but their actions since have made them hard for me to enjoy.>> I guess I just don't get that. If someone makes a movie, song or tv show that I like I'm going to like it regardless of what happens in their personal life.
Originally Posted By disneysharks2 >>CuriouserConstance What did he do that was so great?<< I guess you need to ask the people of East Germany for a start.
