Originally Posted By Vic Sage "When will Mittens release his tax records?" When will the President release most of his records?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Oh for crying out loud, you make it easy. Obama has released his records back to 2000. Romney's released ONE whopping year. It was Romney's dad who set the modern standard by releasing 12 years, and saying pointedly that releasing one year wasn't good enough, because one year could be a fluke. Yet Romney continues to just release one. Every major party nominee for decades now has released 8-10 years or more. Moreover, when Romney was being considered for McCain's veep 4 years ago, he released more than 20 years worth to McCain. So they're done. They're ready to go. He just won't release them. Which obviously begs the question of what he's hiding. <If the Globe article relied on the Mother Jones article, and the Globe article was wrong, doesn't that make the Mother Jones article wrong?> Seriously? Did you even bother to read the link to the China story. I'll put it in caps so perhaps you'll get it. THIS IS A SEPARATE STORY. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GLOBE PIECE. IT IS ABOUT A SEPARATE MATTER. AND IT TOOK PLACE IN 1998, WHEN ROMNEY WAS UNQUESTIONABLY CALLING THE SHOTS. <<Link, please, or we'll have to conclude you're being intentionally misleading.>> <Do you often accuse people of doing things you are doing?> Oh good. The "I know you are but what am I" defense. Once again putting you in company with Romney, who's been playing that lame card for months now.
Originally Posted By Vic Sage "Which obviously begs the question of what he's hiding." If the President won't release his school records, does that beg the question of what he is hiding? "Did you even bother to read the link to the China story." If Mother Jones has already been shown not to have done due diligence on the "when did Romney leave Bain" story, what makes you think they did it on the China story? Do you often get angry at people who question your assumptions and biases?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Do you often get angry at people who question your assumptions and biases?" The tact you're taking here isn't even remotely clever. And in light of the bit about Obama's school records, you're quickly on the path of a troll looking for fellow birthers. If you're going to disagree, fine, but do it like a grown up.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>If the President won't release his school records, does that beg the question of what he is hiding?<< Specifics? I mean, we've cited specific examples of records Mitt won't release and it kinda doesn't look so good. Which of those are the Presidents? The thesis? The one that Columbia says they've looked all over for and don't have? His long form birth cert... Oh. Right. And do you have an actual defense of Mitt's refusal to release specific records we know are in his possession (unlike Obama) or just more of "Oh yeah, well Obama won't release most of his unnamed records either!" as if that's any kind of a defense.
Originally Posted By Vic Sage "The tact you're taking here isn't even remotely clever." Is Dabob2's tact of misdirection and assuming bad faith a clever one? Why are you defending him and attacking me? "And in light of the bit about Obama's school records, you're quickly on the path of a troll looking for fellow birthers." Why isn't claiming that Romney is hiding something also on the path of a troll? Why didn't you respond to that remark? "If you're going to disagree, fine, but do it like a grown up." Is accusing someone of being "on the path of a troll looking for fellow birthers" disagreeing like a grown up?
Originally Posted By Vic Sage "Specifics?" What was the President's grade point average at Columbia? What were they at Harvard? What did he score on his SAT? Do you think he is hiding something? "And do you have an actual defense of Mitt's refusal to release specific records we know are in his possession (unlike Obama) or just more of "Oh yeah, well Obama won't release most of his unnamed records either!" as if that's any kind of a defense." Do I need one?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>What was the President's grade point average at Columbia? What were they at Harvard? What did he score on his SAT?<< So Obama's GPA is "most of his records," to use your words. Got it. And no, I don't think he's hiding anything. So, again, you have no real response to Romney's refusal to release his records, just a weak attempt at equivalency with Obama's high school SAT scores. Cause, yeah, that's the same. But then, I also don't think you're interested in a conversation, just scoring points off your perceived political opponents. The original issue remains Romney's records and time at Bain.
Originally Posted By ecdc Oh so this is interesting. I didn't realize that the whole Obama school transcripts thing was a thing. But a quick Google search reveals that it's replaced the birth certificate for only slightly less crazy Republicans who don't buy into birtherism anymore. This is the new narrative in the whole "We don't know the REAL Obama" line from conservatives who insist on delegitimzing the President rather than just disagreeing with his policies. Someone needs to slowly back away from his radio. Of course, as this article from the lame stream media points out, Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law, which isn't exactly easy with bad grades. <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/28/news/la-pn-college-transcripts-replace-birth-certificate-for-obama-detractors-20120526" target="_blank">http://articles.latimes.com/20...20120526</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc Oh man, this just keeps getting better and better! This school record deal is awesome. It started with the birthers who insisted it would be proof Obama applied as a foreign student. Then it was picked up by...wait for it...Donald Trump. Trump insists Obama's just a dummy, nowhere near smart enough to get into Harvard. And all of this is from the party who supported George W. Bush. It's just all too delightful.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 ""Which obviously begs the question of what he's hiding." <If the President won't release his school records, does that beg the question of what he is hiding?> More attempts at false equivalency that ecdc just demolished, so I don't need to. "Did you even bother to read the link to the China story." <If Mother Jones has already been shown not to have done due diligence on the "when did Romney leave Bain" story, what makes you think they did it on the China story?> You are once again a) confusing two stories; b) assuming that MJ said things at Bain showed definitively that Romney was in charge, which it didnt; only that he was involved--and frankly, if he didn't at least keep track of what was going in at Bain in general while he still owned it, he'd be a terrible CEO-- and c) shirking your challenge to show that the MJ piece on China is false. Oh, that's right. Because you can't. Nice try at deflection, but smarter guys than you have tried those tactics around here. <Do you often get angry at people who question your assumptions and biases?> I'm not angry at you. More like bemused.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance You could replace Romney with any number of other potential presidential candidates and it'll inevitably end in scandal just like Romney probably will. Whether it's shown that he was horribly homophobic in school, he f'd American jobs to get rich, or any of the other abominations that are likely to surface, it's doesn't matter. You show me any number of powerful, rich men, who have lots of business/political experience who crave more power and try to obtain the most powerful position in the country/world, and I'll show you the majority of them are sociopaths who have anything but this countries best interests at heart. The person with the intelligence and personality type needed to truly be able to help this country and it's people would almost never want to hold the position of President of the US. That's why I get so f'n sick of hearing about these disgusting excuses for humans and having it slowly come to light what scumbags they really are. It's so f'n predictable! Don't ask me what the answer to this problem is either. Cause I'm pissed right now! And I don't have a clue either. Maybe a presidential draft or something. Force it on some genius who's not a fraud, and a cheat, and a liar.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Is accusing someone of being "on the path of a troll looking for fellow birthers" disagreeing like a grown up?" What do you think?
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I love all of the face outrage suggesting Romney should be called out for shipping jobs overseas. Most everyone expressing that outrage on computers, iPods or iPods made where exactly?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 And the thing is, most of us have no control over where our computers are made if essentially they're all made overseas - as indeed most are. I used to make it a point to buy American-made clothes, for example, but it's getting harder and harder, and with certain things, good luck finding them. I buy American when I can, but the hell of it is that you CAN'T always any more. That wasn't my decision - it was the decision of people who decided to offshore US jobs... or who profited handsomely by either taking over US companies who then offshored, or who invested in foreign companies who poached US jobs. Someone I'm thinking of did both.
