Originally Posted By Park Hopper I hope you realize that stockholders' relentless demands for an increase in share value is the main reason for Disney's decline.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>He's a contributor, just like you and me and the small brained TDLFAN, and has the same rights to say stuff that most of us don't agree with.<< This small brained TDLFAN can draw circles around you when it comes to knowledge from around the World (and I mean WORLD-wide) of the Disney themed parks and resorts. Funny how ignorant you seem when you claim to believe what someone else posts just because HE believes in it, and yet you call me small brain and such because you don't agree with my assessment especially when it comes from hard-earned first hand experience at the parks?? Seems to me the one who has little brain is you, which is the reason why I honestly have no respect for you on this or any boards you participate because you simply do not have what it takes to contribute something meaningful about Disney at all. Go do free lancing reports from the Disney parks and give us something we can really sink our teeth into on this board Dan, or else, stick to GrandfathersareUs.com, where your knowledge may come more handy and make you look more knowledgeable.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I hope you realize that stockholders' relentless demands for an increase in share value is the main reason for Disney's decline.<< True, and the reason why every CEO in every major company have become self-appointed croocks! Suck the life out of a company by cutting back the product's quality and improvement possibilities, and steal the profits legally thru built-in bonus payments in their contracts. Corporate America in Bush's Book.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I hope you realize that stockholders' relentless demands for an increase in share value is the main reason for Disney's decline.< yeah, that demand for quality can be a real downer. Also I hope you realize that without Disney stockholders there is no WDW. To say demands of stockholders are ruining the company is just so financially uninformed. The stock health of a corporation also is some indicator of the quality of the product being distributed. The expectation of the conpany doin well should also require new attractions at the parks, concetration on core business instead of investing heavily and losing millions in go.com, and also investors demanded explanation of payoffs to people leaving the company, some contibuting nothing. This is not pixie dust land Park Hopper, whether one likes it or not Disney is a corporation. Without investors it becomes a memory, not a company with a future. I think Disney stockholders overall ( especially individuals) are some of the least demanding...The stock price is down 20% from 8 years ago--HOW DEMANDING IS THAT ? Do not confuse poor management and poor management vision with responsibility to stockholders....and do not confuse Disney as a mythical entity that does not require funding to operate. So I hope you realize that without stockholders and investors,not in spite of, you would not have what you do today' !
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Let me ask you this park hopper, if you have a 401K or pension plan and it lost 20% of it's value over the last 8 years, would you view that as a good thing ?
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Also I hope you realize that without Disney stockholders there is no WDW.<< Correction: without the APers and UK tourists (many who are Apers as well) there would be no WDW. Or maybe there would not be *anyone* at WDW now a days... Save for your average parent taking their child away from school to visit. ;P
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Let me ask you this park hopper, if you have a 401K or pension plan and it lost 20% of it's value over the last 8 years, would you view that as a good thing ?<< Interesting... because in the airline business, where profits are beginning to show up again.. most pension plans have been frozen and we can look forward to retiring into poverty. Bush's America. Best country in the World.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 AP's ( of which I am one) - DVC investors ( of which I am one) and daily attendance pays some of the bills yes, but investors are who allow Disney to have the borrowing power to do anything financially. It's why Eisner is gone. If the pension plans hadn't threatened to pull their monies from Disney in those large blocks, he may still be here today.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>>Let me ask you this park hopper, if you have a 401K or pension plan and it lost 20% of it's value over the last 8 years, would you view that as a good thing ?<< Interesting... because in the airline business, where profits are beginning to show up again.. most pension plans have been frozen and we can look forward to retiring into poverty. Bush's America. Best country in the World. < my company ( one of the world's largest at 500,000 employees ) dropped their traditional pension plan 6 years ago and froze what is left recently -- so my point exactly -- is that a good thing ? I think not. On this point we are in total agreement and as I notice you back in W/E - you will see I have been hitting hard on those who say the economy is booming -- as we offshore 10Million jobs in 7 years and allow the crippling of pension plans to the point that the workers today are in serious financial trouble being ignored by both parties. In this we are in total agreement TDLFAN Yet as a stockholder to be called relentlessly demanding when my return is -20% over 8 years just shows a lack of financial savvy by someone who would post that
Originally Posted By FerretAfros "Corporate America in Bush's Book." Just out of curiosity, who was president when the put up that wand? How about when they had the 25th Anniversary. As much as you may want to blame Bush for this, it is really just a decline that WDW has pushed on itself. If they want to blame someone, it needs to be someone within Disney, not someone who has better things to do than worry about Disney parks (no offense, but really, on the grand scheme of things, Disney is a pretty small section of everything in life. Sure, it is how we all get our escape from reality, but the leader of a country, no matter which leader or which country, has much bigger problems to deal with than the new paint scheme on the Living Seas)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 the blame lies squarely on Disney management and specifically that at WDW....they are paid to make the decisions, and paid well.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>but the leader of a country, no matter which leader or which country, has much bigger problems to deal with than the new paint scheme on the Living Seas)<< Especially when you are the leader of two countries!!! US and Iraq. No time whatsoever for fun in the Clammobile... Imagine going down in history as the "leader" who destroyed two countries in less than 6 years!! He's the devil I tell you!!! Smells of sulfur here... Hahahahahaha!!!!!
Originally Posted By danyoung Sorry, folks - here we go again. >...you simply do not have what it takes to contribute something meaningful about Disney at all.< Sorry, TDLFAN - I really shouldn't have called you small brained. You're a smart guy, with a wide knowledge of things Disney. What I should have called you is petty and spiteful, a guy who would rather engage in personal attacks than meaningful dialogue. And nothing in your pitiful little attack made any reference to the point I was making, that Lewis Goofy, pollyanna that he is, has the same right to post his thoughts as do you or I. But trying to zing me is much more fun. So go ahead - bring it on. I laugh at your foolishness!!!
Originally Posted By fkurucz -->>Also I hope you realize that without Disney stockholders there is no WDW.<< Correction: without the APers and UK tourists (many who are Apers as well) there would be no WDW. --- You are both correct. Any company needs investors to generate capital. And it needs paying customers to generate revenue.
Originally Posted By Lewis Goofy <<Lewis Goofy does seem like an apologist (actually, he IS an apologist). But over many months of reading his posts I've come to believe that HE believes what he's writing.<< Right on danyoung. WDW is a huge part of my life and I believe every word that I post. If I did not I would not post.
Originally Posted By Lewis Goofy <<And I will use whatever words I chose to describe the MK. Why do you take it so personally?<< I take it personally because I know dozens of Cast Members, from top execs to front line CMs, and they all work to hard to have someone trash their hard work. I do not know any CM that deliberately makes a decision that would be bad for the MK. <<I am trying to figure out who you work for Goof<< I am trying to figure out who you work for Spirit. Do you work for the competition up the street? You definitely have an agenda with all the negitive drivel that you post.
Originally Posted By Lewis Goofy <<The MK is a shell of the park it once was, buddy<< In your opinion which doesn't mean much. <<and there are plenty of 'regular' folks who barely know sites like this even exist that notice. I know. I talk to them every time I visit.<< I visit the MK on a weekly basis and talk to a lot of guest and very seldom hear a complaint. Most it is praise of how magical the Mk is and how much fun they had that day. <<But it doesn't promote the true creative minds.<< And you know this how...because you did not get promoted. The most creative people working in the entertainment industry work for Disney. I know because I know some of them. <<It doesn't matter how many popularity contests Disney wins.<< BusinessWeek and Fortune Magazine are not popularity contest to be won. They are serious magazines. Being ranked number one by either means a lot.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>WDW is a huge part of my life and I believe every word that I post. If I did not I would not post.<< Coincidentally, WDW is a huge part of my life as well, and I was a CM there for many years providing the superior quality of service to guests that I demand from WDW as a guest today, *AND* I too believe every word I say about the current state of WDW's many attributes. If certain things about WDW didn't pain me as much, I too would not post.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I take it personally because I know dozens of Cast Members, from top execs to front line CMs, and they all work to hard to have someone trash their hard work. I do not know any CM that deliberately makes a decision that would be bad for the MK.<< If that is the case, then tell your friends their hard work coming off a bit short of my expectations lately. Maybe your insider friends shouls take a trip to Tokyo and see how a Disney park should be run. Sorry you take it personally but when you have another take on which you can compare WDW's current standards... well, it just doesn't bode that well. Even those who have been around WDW as long as I have can tell you..quality has slipped to an unaceptable degree.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>BusinessWeek and Fortune Magazine are not popularity contest to be won. They are serious magazines. Being ranked number one by either means a lot.<< Didn't Disney own those franchises as well??? Besides, those rags being serious or not, they are still only *their* opinion and as far as I know, you could be writting for them.
