Originally Posted By cape cod joe Beau---He IS usually right--but he seems so MEAN to keep it euphemistic here.
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Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <A guy addicted to painkillers in not the same as a loser doing crack.> Really? Care to elaborate? Sounds a bit 'grey area' to me. Being addicted to painkillers is more 'romantic' somehow? Addiction is addiction is addiction. That's the black and white world of addiction.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe I THINK Jim????? Beau meant that Rush is gainfully employed making a huge difference and contributing to society whereas most crack addicts, don't work?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer and performer. He plays a right-wing nut-job on the radio. People enjoy the drama he puts into his character. The sad thing is that a large part of the Rush Limbaugh audience doesn't recognize that his whole spiel is a performance designed to make him a lot of money, and not a socially responsible commentary that deals in facts, logic, or sensible debate.>> Rsh makes huge money every year because his show has a huge amount of listeners, something the libs can't seem to keep for some reason. What is pathetic is the people who talk negative about Rush yet never listen to his show. It is entertaining to hear a person talk about liberals and see his comments and predictions come true again and again and again. We all know the military listens to Rush in huge numbers for a reason also.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Addiction is addiction is addiction. That's the black and white world of addiction.>> You think being addicted to painkillers in on the same level as a person addicted to crack or heroin? Why am I not surprised. If Rush wasn't the guy who beats liberals on a daily basis like bongo drums and was instead some left wing hollywood type like Richard Dryfus, they would demand tolerance and understanding for the addiction to painkillers. Just another reason people have turned their back on the ever dishonest left.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Beau---He IS usually right--but he seems so MEAN to keep it euphemistic here.>> Mean is the vile left in this country like Randi Rhodes or Al Franken. Rush never yells. He does however take liberals to the shed who undermine the country, our families, our culture and our value system that we have had in place for the last 200 years. Personally, if someone is taking the side of the enemy during wartime, like liberals love to do, they deserve any " mean " words they get. In some cases like the leaks from the libs in the CIA that were exposed, they deserve serious jail time. Rush has said for years that the CIA had Clinton loyalists in place that were more than happy to undermine the president. Well, once again he was correct. When his show sets conservative standards and influences people in congress, it's more than " entertainment ". The libs have a few moonbats in radio who want to impeach the president and run from Iraq. These losers are going off the air because the country isn't about losing and hating ourselves like the left insist we do.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< A guy addicted to painkillers in not the same as a loser doing crack. >>> <<< Beau meant that Rush is gainfully employed making a huge difference and contributing to society whereas most crack addicts, don't work? >>> I think Beau may be right. Check this one out: <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27855" target="_blank">http://www.theonion.com/conten t/node/27855</a>
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< You think being addicted to painkillers in on the same level as a person addicted to crack or heroin? >>> You know very little about addiction or drugs if you think there is a wide separation between between being addicted to painkillers (especially strong opiate-based ones such as Oxycontin) and heroin (which is a derivative of the opiate-based painkiller morphine). Crack may be a different matter as far as the drug itself goes, but I doubt that very many addiction experts would draw that big a distinction.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Rush has never made excuses, he has also never been charged with a crime. >>> Once again you appear to have your facts wrong. The fact is that Rush was arrested and booked on what appears to be a felony charge (if it's a misdemeanor, my apologies for my mistake). See: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ehvg4" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/ehvg4</a> It's been widely reported, including by his own attorney, that he entered a plea of "not guilty." If you think he's not been charged, please explain how you enter a plea for a crime that you have not been charged with? Perhaps there's some peculiar quirk of FL law that allows one to enter a plea for a crime that one hasn't been charged with, but I'm not aware of it. What has been also reported is that there is an agreement that if he continues his treatment for another 18 months, that the charges will be dropped and his record cleared. But the fact at the moment appears to me to be that he's been charged, arrested, posted bail, and entered a plea for this crime. I think Rush has been handling this just as best as he can since the story first surfaced. I certainly don't fault him for that. What's most disappointing is to see how some of his most strident fans and supporters are acting. Those that are always spewing forth about "personal responsibility," yet when one of their own gets caught up in something, there is so much twisting and spinning it's (almost) unbelievable. That's one of the things that the "personal responsibility" and "harsh treament for criminals" crowd always seems to do: those standards never apply to their own people, as there's always an excuse to be made on why it shouldn't.
Originally Posted By woody >>Also, I am so excited to be paying $3.50 per gallon at the pumps.<< How much are you willing to pay if the oil companies are forced to pay windfall profits taxes? First, customers will bear any increase in taxes to the companies. Second, the windfall profit tax will discourage more oil production due to the adverse reaction to higher taxes. Thus the prices will increase due to less production. Third, Federal and States will continue to increase taxes because the government thinks the financial windfall should benefit them too. They will increase taxes at all levels of the supply chain at each stage of the oil production line. Before you know it, the price per pump will hit $7.00 per gallon. Want to pay less per gallon? Try eliminating all gas taxes immediately. You would be paying $3.00 even immediately from shaving off 50 cents in taxes per gallon. Allow oil drilling in Alaska's ANWR. The expected production in ANWR is equivalent to the amount of oil we get from Saudi Arabia. >>You know very little about addiction or drugs if you think there is a wide separation between between being addicted to painkillers (especially strong opiate-based ones such as Oxycontin) and heroin (which is a derivative of the opiate-based painkiller morphine).<< Rush is caught in the middle of a drug addiction that wasn't a choice he wanted. In this case, doctors were the pushers. Oxycontin is a highly addictable drug. It should be outlawed for good.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Rush is caught in the middle of a drug addiction that wasn't a choice he wanted. In this case, doctors were the pushers. Oxycontin is a highly addictable drug. It should be outlawed for good. >>> What was I just saying, about when the "personal responsibility" types get caught doing something, they have every reason under the sun why what they did wasn't their fault, even while continuing to take a "no excuses" and "zero tolerance" attitude toward others? As for outlawing Oxycontin, what do you suggest we do with cancer patients or others that have severe pain that must be dealt with? They should have to go without because one of your golden boys succumbed to addiction? And please note that in everything I've said, I have expressed nothing but sympathy for Rush's involvement with addiction. I realize that it's a medical condition that can happen to the best of people. My beef is with the way others have reacted to it.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I love the notion that the crack addict somehow digs being a crack addict. Reminds me of the discussions of the homeless guys -- they really dig being homeless, and their goal is to take money from the government and spend it all on bottles of malt liquor and lottery ticket. Oh-frickin-brother, people. <You know very little about addiction or drugs if you think there is a wide separation between between being addicted to painkillers (especially strong opiate-based ones such as Oxycontin) and heroin> Agreed. It's always the people who have never experienced addiction who like to look down their nose at people who do have an addiction.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 addiction is addiction is addiction -- crack of valium / heroin or vicodin.....it all ends up being obtained illegally, destroys lives and families, costs this country billions in lost wages and medical costs.. one being more 'white collar' and one being more 'street' really doesn't mean much to the families being torn apart by it....
Originally Posted By woody >>As for outlawing Oxycontin, what do you suggest we do with cancer patients or others that have severe pain that must be dealt with? They should have to go without because one of your golden boys succumbed to addiction?<< It is unfortunately for you to describe Rush as the right's "golden boys" with regard to his drug addiction. The right isn't the one making fun of Rush's predicament. The left has turned the debate around to say Rush isn't living by his own words. Oxycontin is a medical drug that also happened to be highly addictive and it is abused my non-medical patients too. This debate by the left has in fact made the use of Oxycontin almost ridiculous. So if you take Rush's situation to the extreme as defined by the left, Oxycontin should be banned. Maybe it should be. >>And please note that in everything I've said, I have expressed nothing but sympathy for Rush's involvement with addiction. I realize that it's a medical condition that can happen to the best of people. My beef is with the way others have reacted to it.<< Yes, start blaming the left. You haven't said a word about it. My response is in reaction to the left's overreaching.... as usual.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder Let's make no mistake about what happened here. A hypocritical rich guy bought his way to an acceptable solution. Anyone else does time, no question about it. Limbaugh is a joke.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder Total bull woody and you know it. Why else plead before he's even arrested. You're delusional.
Originally Posted By woody No, he pleaded to make it go away. Otherwise, it will take many more years of investigation before Rush wins or the case is dismissed. Either way, making it go away saves face for the DA and Rush.
