Originally Posted By nbodyhome That is funny, because I would feel that the only place for a roller coaster (if any) was Future World. There are already thrill rides there, while essentially there are none in WS (I don't consider Maelstrom terribly thrilling). I'm okay with Epcot not having coasters. I also agree with you as far as Horizons and WOM. I would have liked to see similar ride systems in place. I do like Test Track, though I preferred WOM. I am not a fan of Mission Space, I definitely preferred Horizons.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 "There are already thrill rides there, while essentially there are none in WS (I don't consider Maelstrom terribly thrilling)" Well, I was thinking more about opening day EPCOT - there weren't any thrill rides anywhere in the park then. And a mountain coaster would have been a great "weenie" to get people to the back of the park. I know the American Adventure was supposed to serve this purpose, but I just can't imagine why they thought this would be enough. With all those stores and restaurants back there, it would seem like a no brainer to me. (But I know that this park was supposed to be the anti-Magic Kingdom, so that's probably why they had no thrills.) "I also agree with you as far as Horizons and WOM." The funny thing is, we've seen an example of a ride that used to have small lines suddenly become busy again -- Living with the Land. Adding Soarin to the building had a tremendous impact on that ride's line, and I bet the same would have happened to WoM if Test Track had been added to the pavilion - perhaps in the back, instead of replacing the old attraction. It's a shame that we'll never know...
Originally Posted By a1stav "I think the places where "Soviet" he is referring to the original plans, which would have been for the Soviet Union at the time. " That would be fine if that was the case, but it is not. From JHM: "Though I have heard whispers that Bob Iger may allude to this proposed World Showcase addition at this year's shareholder meeting when he talks about everything that the Walt Disney Company is doing right now to strengthen its ties with the Soviets." Jim Hill needs to pay attention to his writing, the Russians are not Soviets.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 >>>(I should also add that I feel that Disney made a mistake by replacing rides like Horizons and World of Motion with thrills -- the rides should have remained, and thrills should have been placed around them. Future World would have been more "balanced" that way.)<<< I second that. Thank you.
Originally Posted By dshyates Its as balanced as FOX News. I really don't have a problem with them putting a roller coaster anywhere in their Amusement parks. Where they have no place is the county court house. I could even take a coaster at the Grand Floridian a la Las Vegas. As long as its done tastefully and with that special Disney flare. Space Mt., if it had premiered in FW with its cool white show building and rocket cars, would have rocked. For me anytime someone says, "It has no place...". My reaction is Oh yeah? Watch this. My FW roller coaster will not only fit the theme to the definition, but will be the premier use of the ride system on the planet. I'll build a roller coaster that you can't hate. And I'll put it in/at the Grand Floridian/DtD/ OK, probably not a golf course. OK maybe I found one place I can't make a coaster work...acceptably.
Originally Posted By twirlnhurl ^I agree with what you're saying. I think it doesn't matter what they build as long as it is good and it fits. A rollercoaster can fit in a World Showcase pavilion if it's theme has strong cultural ties to the host country and the ride strengthens the overall experience of the pavilion.
Originally Posted By Tip Top Club I honestly don't think world showcase needs a roller coaster. If you want one, put it in future world. Roller coasters are thrilling be definition. So honestly unless you can have an everest level theme at least for the coaster, I'd put it in future world if we felt we NEEDED a coaster at Epcot, Which I dont'.
Originally Posted By dennis-in-ct << That might not happen, but I just like the relative peace of WS. >> I liked the feel of World Showcase when Tapestry of Nations played. The whole area felt alive. I would be good with some new life in the form of a parade. I have heard several locals (not Denise ) laugh at EPCOT saying this like : "It;s a shopping mall!! Why should I pay 70. to shop and eat" ?!?!? That's a little harsh but I get the point. I don;t think peppering WS with some more very family themed rides would be bad. I love the boat rides. How about the need for something NEW for the love of "mouse"?!? huh!!!
Originally Posted By dennis-in-ct << I'll build a roller coaster that you can't hate>> I'm listening >) I also don;'t think a coaster would fit the mood of WS but I am up for some great new dark rides!!
Originally Posted By Mr X A cool, Everest-quality Mt. Fuji coaster would fit just fine I think... Do that, plus a really maxed out couple of dark rides (WELL done stuff though), and WorldShowcase would be perfect. I've heard that "I'm not paying money to shop and eat" argument from locals a million times, and it makes a lot of sense.
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn A swiss bobsled rollercoaster would be completely inappropriate, and would be offensive to the spirit of the fast, exiciting and daring world of bobsled. Yeah, don't think about putting that into World Showcase. Hey, they bobsled in Canada too.(!!)
Originally Posted By nbodyhome >> I've heard that "I'm not paying money to shop and eat" argument from locals a million times, and it makes a lot of sense. << This thread is the first time I've ever heard it. Denise
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Coaster junkies... please go over to IOA and leave World Showcase alone!!
Originally Posted By CMDad ^^ Agreed! Don't mess with the uniqueness of WS. Denise - I have heard it ... but not often.
Originally Posted By dshyates "This thread is the first time I've ever heard it." That was one of the main arguements about DCA. 88 shopping and dining locations and 22 carnival rides and movies.
Originally Posted By nbodyhome I actually agree with it as far as DCA, because thematically it's a mess. Though, I enjoyed it more this trip than I did a number of years ago (I loved Bugs Land). I've been local to WDW for many, many years - and most of the people I know prefer Epcot. Many like to have a drink, have a seat by the water (or at the R&C), watch Illuminations, etc. They tend to bypass what attractions are there already. I do the same. I used to do El Rio De Tiempo, but don't care for the Gran Fiesta. I like Impressions de France. I don't really want to see kids running through WS to get to big E-ticket attractions. I don't care as far as Future World, though I miss having more Omnimover rides.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy I think we need a South American country represented in EPCOT before we get to Russia (Brazil, Peru, Argentina, anyone?). Also, how about Egypt -- I imagine their are dozens of attractions (even thrilling ones!) that could be based off the concept of exploring the ancient Egyptian civilizations? If we must add another European country, I'd prefer Greece over Russia -- lots of good source material there, too.
Originally Posted By mousermerf I'd like to see a major attraction open in World Showcase. I don't mean some uber-thrilling coaster, but just a major attraction. Something that people would want to flock to. I really think it would add a lot to the park and the public opinion of it. Right now, many see it as Future World and some dining options. There are many people who dont even set foot in World Showcase. I guess i see it how i see everest changing AK. AK was seen by many as a passable park. People could skip it, the same way some choose to skip World Showcase. If you add something with the draw of Everest, people wont skip it. Not to mention it'd even things out in Future World and we wouldn't need a FP at 9am to ride Soarin at 7pm.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Right now, many see it as Future World and some dining options. There are many people who dont even set foot in World Showcase.>> And the problem with that would be...???
Originally Posted By mousermerf That Epcot's not utilized to its full potential and they're not making as much money as they could. Imagine if crowds were as plentiful in World Showcase as Future World on as given day. Epcot would perform much higher in gate revenue and in food sales, just on the sheer number of bodies alone, nevermind interest in merchandise, room nights and other areas of profit. Not utilizing all of Epcot to its fullest potential is boneheaded. You can't get more people into MK most days, but you can get more people in to Epcot.
