Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <It's "possible" it was satiric?> Yes. I haven't read the whole article the quote appeared in, and I suspect you haven't either. <How do we know bin Laden really still wants to attack us, based on that recent tape?> Because we can hear the whole tape, and understand the context.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<It's "possible" it was satiric?>> <Yes. I haven't read the whole article the quote appeared in, and I suspect you haven't either.> It wasn't an article, per se. It was a statment issued by its executive committee. Such statments are rarely if ever satirical in nature. But you knew that. Seriously, this is a reach.
Originally Posted By woody I don't know if the article you mentioned was satirical, but the one that the esteemed Senator Ted Kennedy read in the Alito hearings was definitely a satire. ---------- <a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/downanddirty/2006/01/cap_smear.html" target="_blank">http://blogs.abcnews.com/downa nddirty/2006/01/cap_smear.html</a> Probing the debate over Alito's having said he was a member of the conservative Concerned Alumni of Princeton on a 1985 job application with the Reagan Justice Department, I spoke to conservative intellectual Dinesh D'Souza of the Hoover Institution yesterday. D'Souza worked for CAP from 1983 to 1985, editing CAP's controversial Prospect magazine. He said a number of the Democratic attacks on Samuel Alito were based on falsehoods. First off, D'Souza says, one of the two stories from Prospect that Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-MA, read this week at the confirmation hearings was intended as a satire. The 1983 essay "In Defense of Elitism" by Harry Crocker III included this line, read dramatically by Kennedy: "People nowadays just don't seem to know their place. Everywhere one turns blacks and hispanics are demanding jobs simply because they're black and hispanic..." The essay may not have been funny, D'Souza acknowledges, but Kennedy read from it as if it had been serious instead of an attempt at humor. "I think left-wing groups have been feeding Senator Kennedy snippets and he has been mindlessly reciting them," D'Souza said. "It was a satire." D'Souza, who edited Prospect in 1985, the year Alito boasted of his membership in CAP in a job application when trying to join the Reagan Justice Department, says he can't remember ever having even heard Alito's name during that era. ------------- Alito will soon get in the court.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <It wasn't an article, per se. It was a statment issued by its executive committee.> Fine, I haven't read the whole statement. I don't know if it's an accurate representation of the executive committee's beliefs.
Originally Posted By hastobe Tomorrow is the big day when Alito becomes a Supreme Court Justice! All the smears have failed!
Originally Posted By FaMulan No, today the Senate Judiciary committe votes whether or not the Alito nomination should go to the entire Senate. If (and when) the vote is yes, then it goes to the entire Senate tomorrow.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<It wasn't an article, per se. It was a statment issued by its executive committee.>> <Fine, I haven't read the whole statement. I don't know if it's an accurate representation of the executive committee's beliefs.> So you think that "Concerned Alumni of Princeton opposes adoption of a sex-blind admission policy." might have been completely reversed by what surrounded it, so that they actually FAVORED a sex-blind admission policy? Highly unlikely.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh As I said, I don't know if it's an accurate representation of the executive committee's beliefs.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 You keep clinging to that. If they favored a sex-blind admission policy (which, of course, these days seems like a no-brainer), why in the world would they say "Concerned Alumni of Princeton opposes adoption of a sex-blind admission policy." What context could have actually reversed that?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I'm not sure they did say it. I haven't seen that quote reported in a credible place.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I'm not sure they did say it. I haven't seen that quote reported in a credible place.> Oh brother. The thread you're clinging to gets slimmer and slimmer. Not being able to pretend the statement says anything other than what it says any more, you now say you're not sure they said it. I'm sure you don't like The Nation anymore than I like opinionjournal, and each certanly takes basic facts and imposes their own biases on them. But both have good reputations for getting the basic facts (like quotes) right - neither has a reputation for making things up out of whole cloth. I half expect you to say that the Nation does, (or, more likely, something weasly like "I'm not sure they don't"), as it would be all you're left with, but it's a simple fact that their reputation for getting the basic facts right (as opposed to how they view those facts) is as good as, say, opinionjournal. You lost this one - you should just take your lumps and move on.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Not being able to pretend the statement says anything other than what it says any more, you now say you're not sure they said it.> I'm still not sure what the statement means, nor do I know the circumstances of it's release. Who said it? In what format? <I'm sure you don't like The Nation anymore than I like opinionjournal, and each certanly takes basic facts and imposes their own biases on them. But both have good reputations for getting the basic facts (like quotes) right - neither has a reputation for making things up out of whole cloth.> Unlike CBS news or the New York Times, right? I'm sorry, but given that I've seen obvious distortions from the AP, I'm not taking the Nation's word on what the quote represented.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<Not being able to pretend the statement says anything other than what it says any more, you now say you're not sure they said it.>> <I'm still not sure what the statement means, nor do I know the circumstances of it's release. Who said it? In what format?> According to The Nation, it was a published statement from their executive committee, i.e. an official statement of their position, a "This is what CAP believes." <<I'm sure you don't like The Nation anymore than I like opinionjournal, and each certanly takes basic facts and imposes their own biases on them. But both have good reputations for getting the basic facts (like quotes) right - neither has a reputation for making things up out of whole cloth.>> <Unlike CBS news or the New York Times, right? I'm sorry, but given that I've seen obvious distortions from the AP, I'm not taking the Nation's word on what the quote represented.> Fine, cling away.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Now this morning our beloved Senators Kennedy and Kerry are threatening to lead the charge with the Nuclear Option, filibuster. Inane or what? Hopefully we can use this as fodder to get them the heck out of power seeing Mitt Romney, our Gov. leaving is bad enough.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I hope Hanoi Kerry and Kennedy get a filibuter going! Alito has public support and the votes to be confirmed. He also has enough votes to use the nuke option on judicial filibusters, which I would LOVE to see. Kerry is trying to impress the freaks on the left who are demanding something happen to stop Bush from getting his way on this. What a maroon...
Originally Posted By cape cod joe I am actually ALMOST praying that he "performs" (Kerry and Kennedy) because that's all it is, a not so well choreographed performance for his base. The problem is, which the K BOYS don't get, is their base is evaporating quickly, so there will be an empty house or in their case Senate for their dog and pony show. I think it is evident that the elephants have the 60 votes anyways.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I have yet to meet anyone in Mass. that admits they voted for Kennedy. Joe, do you know who is running against the Cape Cod Orka this fall since Kennedy is up for re-election for the 1000th time?
Originally Posted By cape cod joe The usual elephant sacrificial lambs but one day soon---------------His day of reckoning is coming and my folks have pics of him hanging and they admit to voting for him One bad thing---------------where I live the 2 best friends celebs are campaigning on tv ads for Joe Kennedy's cheap oil that he got from the Venezuela's President at a discounted rate and our Congressman from the cape, Delahunt is the other buffoon in the ad saying how wonderful it is. This dictator hates us and is using our congressman and our celeb to embarrass the USA. I told my wife when he comes back from Jupiter Fl, I'll quietly talk to him on the range.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe To clarify the first buffoon is Kennedy (Ted's nephew who is making a fortune by "helping" people) and the other buffoon is Delahunt, not our fine celeb who is probably unaware of the politics and how he is being used) He (celeb) is such a great human being, he is just trying to help the people of the cape get cheap oil. I'll straighen him out.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I think Ted Kennedy, if he ran anywhere else in the country would lose... except possibly Frisco or Vermont. How you can be a killer, a drunk, and a total moron yet still get elected for 40 years is amazing.
