Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>If I had made a similar joke during the whole Bennett gaffe posts you and Tom would have flayed me whole. << You know, I really wouldn't have. I almost never get offended by jokes. I don't see what is happening here as racism, though. Just like I don't think of the arguments that I have with Beau or Douglas about politics to be racist (assuming they are both the same race that I am).
Originally Posted By gadzuux Exactly. If the incident in question is "black on black" - how is that racist? Do you really think the dem blacks are oppressing the GOP blacks because of their race? Of course not, they're being critical of their politics. Cheap and fast play of the race card where it doesn't apply.
Originally Posted By itsme But which Oreo's were they? There are the normal black outside with the white inside, The golden{yellow} outside with the white inside, The black outside and inside, Golden outside with the black inside, Black outside with green and white inside, Fudge coated outside, Low fat or minis?
Originally Posted By Disneyman55 LOL Actually the definition of racism does not involve oppression. It leads to it, but is not part of the definition. The racism involved here is that the blacks who believe this way are not black but instead white inside. That is racism. And pretty obvious racism.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer A side note: one thing that drives me nuts is when a member of a minority insists that they can't be racist because they aren't in a position to do anything about it.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-legal2nov02" target="_blank">http://www.latimes.com/news/na tionworld/nation/la-na-legal2nov02</a>,0,4962703.story?coll=la-home-headlines >>Samuel A. Alito Jr. was quickly branded a hard-core conservative after President Bush announced his nomination, but a surprising number of liberal-leaning judges and ex-clerks say they support his elevation to the Supreme Court. Those who have worked alongside him say he was neither an ideologue nor a judge with an agenda, conservative or otherwise. They caution against attaching a label to Alito. Kate Pringle, a New York lawyer who worked last year on Sen. John F. Kerry's presidential campaign, describes herself as a left-leaning Democrat and a big fan of Alito's. She worked for him as a law clerk in 1994, and said she was troubled by the initial reaction to his nomination. "He was not, in my personal experience, an ideologue. He pays attention to the facts of cases and applies the law in a careful way. He is conservative in that sense; his opinions don't demonstrate an ideological slant," she said. Jeff Wasserstein, a Washington lawyer who clerked for Alito in 1998, echoes her view. "I am a Democrat who always voted Democratic, except when I vote for a Green candidate — but Judge Alito was not interested in the ideology of his clerks," he said. "He didn't decide cases based on ideology, and his record was not extremely conservative." As an example, he cited a case in which police in Pennsylvania sent out a bulletin that called for the arrest of a black man in a black sports car. Police stopped such a vehicle and found a gun, but Alito voted to overturn the man's conviction, saying that that general identification did not amount to probable cause. "This was a classic case of 'driving while black,' " Wasserstein said, referring to the complaint that black motorists are targeted by police. Though Alito "was a former prosecutor, he was very fair and open-minded in looking at cases and applying the law," Wasserstein said. It is not unusual for former law clerks to have fond recollections of the judge they worked for. And it is common for judges to speak respectfully of their colleagues. But for a judge being portrayed by the right and left as a hard-right conservative, Alito's enthusiastic backing by liberal associates is striking.<<
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I haven't had a lot of time to look into Alito in depth, so I'm reserving judgement till I can (what a concept!) but what I've seen so far hasn't been so bad. Some of the people calling him a "home run" have been troubling (the likes of Gary Bauer and others), but I'm hoping if/when he gets to the SC he'll actually be that kind of fair-minded jurist who doesn't rule ideologically - you know, the far-right's worst nightmare.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Here is a link to a new website... <a href="http://www.judgealito.com/" target="_blank">http://www.judgealito.com/</a>
Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm" target="_blank">http://www.drudgereport.com/fl ash7.htm</a> >>The DRUDGE REPORT has learned from exclusive sources that Supreme Court nominee Samuel A. Alito Jr.’s 90 year-old mother Rose has become a prisoner in her own Hamilton, NJ home because of a barrage of media requests. The quiet neighborhood Mrs. Alito has lived in for over 50 years has been turned upside down all week by a swarm of national reporters who have phoned and shown up at the doorstep of not only her but many of her neighbors. In the last 24 hours alone, she and her neighbors have been contacted by national reporters from NEWSWEEK, CBS’ “EARLY SHOW,†THE BOSTON GLOBE and THE ASSOCIATED PRESS. Outside of a trip to a local pizzeria and quick junket to her son’s home an hour and a half away, Rose Alito has been stuck inside all week. One neighbor, who asked the DRUDGE REPORT to withhold their name so the press wouldn’t call them at home, was stunned at the treatment the 90 year-old grandmother had received. “Mama Alito is just a sweet lady and we don’t understand why she is being hounded by these reporters. She can’t even go outside and tend to her fall flowers. She’s just a proud mother, what do they want?†When told of the latest Alito episode one Washington insider said, “Why are they harassing Judge Alito’s 90 year-old mother when he has written over 350 legal opinions? The media should leave Judge Alito’s mother alone. †<<
Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/03/D8DL91RG0.html" target="_blank">http://www.breitbart.com/news/ 2005/11/03/D8DL91RG0.html</a> >>The Republican-controlled Senate will begin hearings Jan. 9 on Judge Samuel Alito's appointment to the Supreme Court, spurning President Bush's call for a final confirmation vote before year's end. "It simply wasn't possible to accommodate the schedule that the White House wanted," Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said late Thursday. He outlined a schedule that envisions five days of hearings, followed by a vote in committee on Jan. 17 and the full Senate on Jan. 20. <<
Originally Posted By planodisney i am still curious to find aout what liberals think about the article posted by darkbeer concerning the memo circulated by democrats with the fact that alito couldnt get a conviction of members of the mafia. I think we all know what they were trying to insinuate there, and that is why even Chris matthews thought it was horrible. Now, this is exactly the type of thing that you guys would use as proof that the republican party is dishonest and corrupt, but when it is done by your own party, you are silent. Do you guys just not want to talk about these things, or is it something you justify by the whole greater good thing. I would just be wonderful to here even just 1 democrat on here, at least 1 time, be balanced and fair minded. This stunk, plain and simple. I am sure the other side has pulled the same kind of stunt, and it stunk just as bad, but can any of you admit to yourselfs that the democratic party can do anything wrong?
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "I think we all know what they were trying to insinuate there, and that is why even Chris matthews thought it was horrible." Speaking as a very frustrated Republican, I see no reason why any Democrat needs to explain or apologize for the actions of fringe, whacko Democrats. I'm ashamed to say these fringe, whacked out Republicans who tried to force Bush into a fringe pick are of the same party I am.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Problem is the fringe you talk about regarding democrats are their mainstream base. How else does democraticunderground.com get on Kerry's personal website? How else does Michael Moore end up in the presidential box with Jimmy Carter at the DNC?
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Originally Posted By planodisney how would a tiny fring nutcase like you are trying to paint this out to be, be able to circulate a memo all over Washington to where even Hardball is issued a copy. Please STPH!!!
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>i am still curious to find aout what liberals think about the article posted by darkbeer concerning the memo circulated by democrats with the fact that alito couldnt get a conviction of members of the mafia.<< I read the memo in it's entirety and it didn't seem like race or national origin was an issue in it at all. But, then, I read it for myself (and you can, too at <a href="http://images.redstate.org/images/ALITO.Detailed.doc" target="_blank">http://images.redstate.org/ima ges/ALITO.Detailed.doc</a>) so I had the disadvantage of not having Drudge and Chris Matthews tell me what it meant.
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Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Plano's writing wasn't that bad. It was obvious to me that he wasn't calling you a "fringe nutcase" but rather the person who wrote the memo.
