Originally Posted By Darkbeer Let's see, the original set of film based attractions... Muppets Back to Neverland in the Animation Screening room Drawn to Animation It's Tough to be a Bug Sourdough Factory Tour Golden Dreams Seasons of the Vine Soarin' That is 7 and 1/2 (at least Drawn to Animation had a major human element), the rest of the attractions had a primary use of pre-recorded media that is displayed on a movie screen or a TV screen. So Back to Neverland was replaced with One Man's Dream, then left dark for awhile, and the lobby uses for a Princess meet and greet before being converted to Turtle Talk. (Since it is mostly live, I won't call that pre-recorded). And Drawn to Animation was replaced the the drawing school. The Tortilla tour has added a pre-recorded film that you need to watch. And since it is hard to find Seasons of the Vine open, what do we have today... My count, 6 and 1/2 (the 1/2 being Seasons of the Vine), if you want to claim that is always open, then we have 7.
Originally Posted By ni_teach I think that the DCA is a good park and could be made better with some improvements. The problem is that there is a higher ratio of movies to other attractions at the DCA. I do not think that anyone would argue that there are also a good number of movies at EPCOT, but there are a LOT of other attraction to balance out those movies. If you look at Roadtip’s list many of the movies at EPCOT you will see that the movies are part of a larger attraction. The DCA also suffers from having to high of a ratio of too many carnival rides. Yes, Disneyland has Dumbo, but again when you look at the ratio of carnival rides at Disneyland vs the rest of the park you will see that it’s a very low number. I think that Monster’s INC. is a good example of how to improve the park. It is not a movie or carnival ride, it is original and it is very family friendly. I think that if we see a few more attractions meeting that criteria I think that the DCA will go up in everyone’s view.
Originally Posted By carguy_16 Thank you (ni_teach) that is exactly how i feel and was trying to express in my comment earlier. I guess I have grown up loving all of the Disney Company so I will always give them a chance to prove them selves. I just don’t think we are giving them to time to do it. It takes a long time to build something like Disneyland, especially when you have to redirect roads, buy up a large amount of land to build parking structures, remodel hotels (build a brand new one), and still keep your already running theme park going.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I do not think that anyone would argue that there are also a good number of movies at EPCOT, but there are a LOT of other attraction to balance out those movies.>> I'm not so sure... Let's take the marginal movie attractions out... Soarin', Ellen, Mission Space and Maelstrom. That leaves five film-based attractions at Epcot compared to (by a reasonable count) five film-based attractions at DCA. That takes Soarin' out of my DCA list and adds the Sourdough Tour. That leaves Epcot with ten "real" attractions (I love the Showcase, but it's primarily shops and restaurants, so I'm not counting most of the pavilions): Spaceship Earth The Living Seas Living with the Land Soarin' Journey Into Imagination Ellen's Energy Adventure Mission Space Test Track El Rio del Tiempo Maelstrom I also count ten "real attractions" at DCA, and that is counting all the kiddie rides combined in Bug's Land as one ride and counting most of the Paradise Pier rides as 1/2 ride. Animation Building Monsters Inc. Tower of Terror Soarin’ Bugs Land Kiddie Rides (Hey… if the Boat Ride in Mexico counts I should be able to count the kiddie rides as at least one) California Screamin’ Sun Wheel Maliboomer (1/2) Orange Stinger (1/2) Mulholland Madness (1/2) Golden Zephyr (1/2) Jelly Fish (1/2) Carousel (1/2) Now you can make the argument that Epcot's attractions are better than DCA's, and I wouldn't argue with that. But I don't think the film attraction/real attraction ratio is largely out of line. (Geez... I cant' believe the amount of time I wasted on this post...)
Originally Posted By wangaroa Choop, foo's. Y'all gots to KWAL-if-eye yo statements. DEE-SEE_AY be a trubbled DIZNEE park. Can't just kall it trubbled al-to-gedda. Shiz, Sick Flagz runnin' the joint, it be labeled the flyest park in Anahine. Wangsta out.
Originally Posted By gadzuux 1) Muppets 2) Tough to be a Bug 3) Golden Dreams 4) Yes, Soarin' - it's a film, whaddya want? 5) Seasons of the Vine 6) Animation Exhibit 7) Turtle Talk So okay, 'turtle talk' is marginal in that it's not "really" a film - but it's still a projected image on a screen. Close enough.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> That takes Soarin' out of my DCA list and adds the Sourdough Tour. << I don't really consider the sourdough bakery as an attraction, so I didn't include it on my list. And as I posted in another thread, 'seasons of the vine' doesn't really qualify as an attraction either - it's never staffed by a CM - and never open to the public, so obviously disney doesn't consider it an attraction either.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh If it's never opened to the public, how did I watch it last time I was there?
Originally Posted By gadzuux You tell us - did you have to go round up a 'foods' CM to admit you and your party?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<4) Yes, Soarin' - it's a film, whaddya want?>> So??? I’ll just add it on the Epcot film list and everything remains the same. <<6) Animation Exhibit 7) Turtle Talk So okay, 'turtle talk' is marginal in that it's not "really" a film - but it's still a projected image on a screen. Close enough.>> The Animation Building and Turtle Talk are NOT film based attractions. The film portion of each is a minor portion of the entire show. If that reasoning holds, Ellen and Maelstrom go back on the film list at Epcot. And once again we're even. It amazes me that people criticizing DCA have to make such ludicrous claims when defending their position.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Ludicrous claims? OF COURSE 'animation exhibit' is a film-based attraction. Sure, there are some static exhibits that support the overall theme - film-based animation. How can anyone say otherwise? "Minor Portion"? It's the centerpiece! Same with 'soarin' - without the film, you've got nuthin'. 'Ellen' is a tougher case for you to make. Sure, the beginning and end are film-based, but the centerpiece is an ambitious (though rather tired by now) ride-through with AA dinosaurs. THAT'S the 'meat and potatoes' of the attraction. The rest is parsley. 'Maelstrom' is so far out in left field that it hardly rates a mention. The film portion is free standing - essentially a separate attraction entirely from the ride. Guests can go on the ride and skip the movie - or vice versa. They're in the same pavilion, and that's about the only thing they have in common. Neither one relates to or supports the other in any meaningful way.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Well, we'll agree to disagree then. I'm not going to spend more time debating it because I don't think the number of film attractions has much to do with the success or lack of success of DCA anyway. As I said in #52... I can't believe how much time I’ve wasted on this thread.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Wasting time is what we do here. It's better than watching 'american idol'. And to clarify, it's not my intention to minimize 'soarin', or 'animation exhibit'. They're good attractions, but they're (IMHO) film-based. I'm not against any and all film-based attractions, but saying the park is heavily tilted toward them - which (not coincidentally) are cheaper than more ambitious attractions. I'd like to see the park dump 'muppets' and 'golden dreams', and either support 'seasons' or eliminate it - fish or cut bait. And I'm sure TDA is sorely tempted to put 'philharmagic' in DCA - where it doesn't belong. Doesn't make it a bad attraction - just one that needs to be in DL. Some would say 'ITTBAB' should also go, but it's too ambitious to pull the plug just yet. A DCA roster of 'soarin', 'animation' (with 'turtle talk') 'ITTBAB' and maybe 'seasons' would be fine. But more than three or four film attractions is pushing it.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You tell us - did you have to go round up a 'foods' CM to admit you and your party?> Don't recall, but it's possible. If I did, its because a sign in front directed me to. But either way, it was open to the public.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA 'Seasons of the Vine' was open when last I visited, before the Holidays last year. We walked up, a Cast Member was there, he gave his intro, and we, along with three other guests, watched the terrific little movie about wine making. It's not an E-Ticket, must see attraction -- but it is a cute film about wine making. And I like it.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I like 'Seasons of the Vine' also. We visited DCA on a week day in mid-September 2003... not exactly prime time. The film was running and we viewed it with 8-10 other people. One CM was managing the film and another one was answering questions about wine and selling it. If it is 'never open' now, things sure must have changed in the past two years.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Just a little side note here, but I think we should also include El Rio Del Tiempo in teh film based list that included EEA. It is basically just a boat ride past a bunch of film clips, which ironically enough makes it much more repeatable. It is just so weird that you have to go back each time you go to Epcot to make sure that is really what you just saw. It is no less film based than Ellen's Energy Adventure or Soarin', IMO, and should be added to the list that includes the controvercial ones.
Originally Posted By mstaft ^^ Yeah but El Rio del Tiempo is a cut above so many of the DCA films because you are moving on a boat in front of detailed sets with some animated figures, special effects, and great atmosphere- very different animal.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<^^ Yeah but El Rio del Tiempo is a cut above so many of the DCA films because you are moving on a boat in front of detailed sets with some animated figures, special effects, and great atmosphere- very different animal.>> You're kidding, right? I'll take the various pleasures of the Golden Vine Winery over El Rio del Tiempo any time.
