Originally Posted By Mr X It was either that or no thought process at all...either way, irresponsible as all get out. And also, I believe your claim that it is "highly unlikely" McCain will have to leave office is extremely naive. There are reasons other than death too, you know. What if the cancer returns (for a fifth time)? She could potentially be in charge for weeks or months even if she doesn't assume office entirely. And if you're so worried about national defense, consider how the big boys are going to bully her mercilessly with threats and aggression and believe me, she won't get once ounce of "deference" from Putin and whatever North Korean general happens to be in charge. So better get that missile system up and running quick..I wonder if they can reach Hawaii. Or LA. And while we're on the subject, why is a guy from rural Missouri so concerned with national defense? The probability that any incursion will affect you is nil. Or is that just another "excuse of the week" on why you inexplicably decided McCain was your man?
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 I would never vote for a man who spends .5Million to have the American flag removed from the tail of his airplane and have it replaced with a huge O. IMHO the O stands for zero.
Originally Posted By Mr X Now we're invoking urban myths? He didn't "have the American flag removed", that's ridiculous. The tail was the old livery of the plane from the charter company, which was changed to the campaign logo during a refit. Oh brother.
Originally Posted By Mr X <a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.asp" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/politics...lane.asp</a> Take a look at the McCain jet while you're over there. No American flag on the tail there either. Oh, BROTHER.
Originally Posted By chickendumpling Totally hear where you're coming from, RT. Don't understand one phrase though. What do you mean by "worse yet I abandoned my hero Bubba." Which "Bubba" are you referring to and if it's the middle class, why do you think McCain will be better for this country than Obama? I'll have to take my answer off the air 'cause I gotta get ready for dinner guests.
Originally Posted By Mr X Also note that stylized flag was a trademark of the charter company and thus HAD to be removed. The regular American flag remains. OH BROTHER!! Can we talk about the issues, folks?
Originally Posted By Route66 Mud Slinging will not pull your piss poor campaign out of the gutter, in fact mud slinging and political stunts is what got you there. Beating a dead horse wont bring it back to life.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I would never vote for a man who spends .5Million to have the American flag removed from the tail of his airplane and have it replaced with a huge O. IMHO the O stands for zero.<< I'm with X. Part of the way we got into this mess is with people caring about crap that doesn't matter. John Kerry's botched joke about the troops. Howard Dean's yell. Here we are in the midst of the worst financial crisis since the 1930s, and people are still worried about faux patriotism? Any idiot can paint a flag on the side of something. Any idiot can put their hand over their heart during the national anthem. Anyone can get a flag lapel pin. It takes extraordinary people to run this country. We elected the cowboy with the American flag underwear. It got us nowhere fast. It's time to elect an elitist. Here's some other elitists: George Washington John Adams Thomas Jefferson Alexander Hamilton James Monroe These elitists were some of the most extraordinary, intelligent people of their time, no matter how much conservatives would like to reinvent them into everyday Joe's who hated gay marriage as much as they do.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Don't understand one phrase though. What do you mean by "worse yet I abandoned my hero Bubba.">> There is only one Bubba. Slick Willy. William Jefferson Clinton.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Sorry, I have a son in the military and will not support anyone like Obama.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Branson, MO. Why?>> Warmer milder climate than Minnesota. Still has four seasons (unlike Florida) which I want. Mild winters... average high in the 30's; annual average of 9" of snow. BEAUTIFUL location. Have you ever seen the Ozarks?? One of the loveliest places I've seen in the U.S. LOW cost of living. Housing there costs about 50% of what equivalent housing would cost in the Minneapolis area. Centrally located. Ten hour drive time from Minneapolis where our kids live. Eight hour drive time from Dallas where my sisters and mother live. My mother turned 80 years old this year. She is still living independently, but how long can that last? My sisters do not have the resources to help my mother. I do. That's why. OK??
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Sorry, I have a son in the military and will not support anyone like Obama.*** Er, you won't support the guy who wants to bring your son HOME? I don't get it.
Originally Posted By mele <<Sorry, I have a son in the military and will not support anyone like Obama.>> Why, do you have real reasons or is the flag on the plane thing the reason?
Originally Posted By mele <<Sorry, I have a son in the military and will not support anyone like Obama.>> Why, do you have real reasons or is the flag on the plane thing the reason?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Sorry, I have a son in the military and will not support anyone like Obama.<< I'm grateful for your son's service. I don't come from a military family, have never been in the military myself (and would last about three seconds before being court marshaled for insubordination) and don't have relatives in the military. In other words, I acknowledge my limited understanding. That said, it seems strange to me that so many in the military are Republican, at least after 8 years of George W. Bush. Our military was sent to a country for no valid reason, and now 4,000 of them have died there. We've all heard the stories about our young men and women not being given the armor they need. We've watched the military be overtaken by contractors on our tax payer dime. I just don't see any evidence whatsoever that Obama would somehow mistreat or not support our military. Quite the contrary, he'd have to be very mindful of it given this false impression that Democrats aren't "pro-troop" enough if he wanted to win re-election.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Sorry, I have a son in the military and will not support anyone like Obama." Like others, I find this truly baffling. McCain would keep your son in harm's way much longer. Obama would bring him home to you much sooner. What's not to like?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<***Sorry, I have a son in the military and will not support anyone like Obama.*** Er, you won't support the guy who wants to bring your son HOME? I don't get it.>> I can't speak for bobbelee9 and I won't attempt to. I don't currently have a son in the military, but my son did enlist in the Navy and served during Clinton's presidency. As most here know I voted for Bush in 2004. I didn't like much of what he stood for, but I thought he would be best at keeping us safe and felt that trumped anything else. Unlike most on the board I STILL think Iraq was the right thing to do. I believe that part of the reason we have not had another terrorist attack on the homeland is that al Qaeda can now kill Americans 500-1,000 miles or less from Syria, Iran or Afghanistan which is a helluva lot easier than trying to kill them in the United States. I also believe that bin Laden is smart enough to know that if there were another attack on the homeland we would hunt his sorry ass down no matter what other countries (Pakistan, Afghanistan and perhaps Russia) we pissed off in the process. It is pretty clear by now that bin Laden has no interest in being a martyr. I don't know that it is a bad strategy to keep the SOB contained in the caves along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border. Now I do believe that the war has been bungled horribly by the Bush administration and it has cost far more in lives and dollars than it ever should have. That is because we had idiots like Rumsfeld and Cheney running the war and they wanted to try and fight a war on the cheap. McCain was opposed to that from day one. If we had gone in to Iraq with the number of boots on the ground that McCain wanted instead of what Rumsfeld wanted, we would have been in and out of there inside of two years. We would have had enough troops there to prevent the rampant lawlessness that occurred after the fall of Baghdad. We would have prevented the destruction of infrastructure that occurred because we didn't have enough troops to prevent it. We would have prevented the turn to al Qaeda when Iraqis saw that they appeared to have more power than we did. Obama’s misstatement of last night aside, the Iraqi’s DID originally see the Americans as liberating heroes. Or have you all forgotten the video of Saddam’s statue being pulled down by jubilant Iraqis? Unfortunately, the Iraqis soon saw us as a paper tiger. All bluster and nothing to back it up. You have seen during the surge how much difference it makes when we are willing to put our troops where our mouth is. McCain would have done this from the start and it would have made all the difference. The fight in Iraq HAS been a righteous fight and one well worth completing. It would be a horrible waste of the lives lost and the dollars spent if we just pulled out as Obama wants. Remember "Peace with Honor" in Vietnam? There was no such thing. The U.S. military took an enormous hit to its prestige and its value as a deterrent for 15 years afterwards. It wasn't until Gulf War One that our armed forces got their mojo back. A military that no one fears is absolutely worthless. So yes, Obama scares me. He scares the shit out of me. He would either not use the military when required, or he would try to fight a war on the cheap like Rumsfeld. You can tell by the massive cuts he proposes in military spending that that he would be even worse than Rumsfeld when it comes to attempting to fight a war on the cheap. If I currently had a child in the military I would want to be damned sure that the military was given the resources and the POLICY needed to WIN any conflict. Would I want to lose my child in a war? Hell no. Who would? But some wars must be fought, and some parent’s kids will die. And if that occurs, I want to make DAMNED SURE they don’t die in vain.
