Originally Posted By Route66 Pitbull in Lipstick? Try Bush in Lipstick and shes even worse. She really believes in the stuff she's spewing. At least Bush knew he was B.S.ing to make more money for his billionaire boys club. This weirdo really believes that God made us take over Iraq.
Originally Posted By dshyates Here is another link to similar info as the OP, but still interesting. So the McCain Campaign is backing off the claim that she visited AK Nat'l. Guard members in Iraq. Why? Because she has never been in Iraq. I wonder why this lie they decided to back off of?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<You could be right. The stunt was incredibly irresponsible and I hope the worst doesn't come to pass..but still it's a stunt and sometimes those work out well.>> No, I don't think it was incredibly irresponsible. It was a good example of why I voted for McCain. At this point in time McCain’s primary goal was to get elected. It would have to be. His choice for Vice President makes no difference at all if he is not elected. Obama had a double digit lead in the polls. The Republican base had very little enthusiasm about him. He knew if he made a good but safe choice... say Pawlenty from Minnesota; there was no way he was going to win the election. So he thought "outside the box" (yes, way over-used but it fits in this case) and came up with one of the most unlikely but politically masterful decisions I have ever seen. A guy who can do that is a guy who can actually bring about change. When we are sitting down at the table with the Koreans or the Iranians or the Russians he's the guy I want representing the United States. He will figure out a way to accomplish what this country needs to accomplish without resorting to war. He also won't give away the candy store. He puts his mind very clear on the objective and does what he needs to do to meet it. Don't you think he knew the press and the democrats would mock his choice from now until November? Of course he knew. I'm sure he had figured out in advance pretty much everything that was going to be thrown at both him and Palin. But he didn't care. He knew his objective was to win, and that was the only way he had of doing it. The only way anything is ever advanced is by risk-takers. You can't keep doing the same old thing and expect different results. If you are going to effect change, you MUST take risks. They must be calculated risks. They must be risks with a good chance for success. But they must be risks just the same. I didn't decide to vote for McCain in spite of his choice of Palin. I decided to vote for McCain BECAUSE of his choice of Palin. Not because I think Palin is all that great, but because McCain actually figured out a way to give himself a shot at winning. That is the "balls to the wall" approach I think this country needs. That is why I'm voting for him.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***No, I don't think it was incredibly irresponsible.*** I believe it was. In fact, I still think he should come to his senses and replace her.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "***No, I don't think it was incredibly irresponsible.*** I believe it was. In fact, I still think he should come to his senses and replace her." Yup. I'd reconsider my vote if he did.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>If you are going to effect change, you MUST take risks. They must be calculated risks.<< I see this as a very irresponsible risk. If she ends up as President, then SHE'LL be sitting down at the table with the Russians and Iranians and so forth. That not good.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I see this as a very irresponsible risk. If she ends up as President, then SHE'LL be sitting down at the table with the Russians and Iranians and so forth. That not good.>> But if she becomes president she will do the exact same thing Obama did. She will name a Vice President with strong long-term experience in foreign policy to do the heavy lifting. I really don't see the difference between her and Obama. Both would have to go to someone else for foreign policy experience. The only difference is that Obama has already named his Veep and Palin can not do that until if and when it becomes necessary. Personally, I don't think it will become necessary.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "But if she becomes president she will do the exact same thing Obama did. She will name a Vice President with strong long-term experience in foreign policy to do the heavy lifting." Here's what I thought when I saw this sentiment before. Great, I thought, let her do that, resign, and let the heavy lifter take over. Not only that, but I just think Obama is much smarter than Palin. Heck, I think I'm smarter than Palin. I think DougDubh is smarter than Palin, and that's no joke.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>But if she becomes president she will do the exact same thing Obama did. She will name a Vice President with strong long-term experience in foreign policy to do the heavy lifting.<< I see this as more dangerous assumptions. By all accounts, she's not big on listening to the advice of support personnel. She just stubbornly plows ahead, similar to a certain unsuccessful President. I'm confident Obama will, at the very least, have enough sense to listen to Biden.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I think DougDubh is smarter than Palin> Maybe in some respects, but not in most. But then, I think that's true of most politicians. I'd rather spend a day relaxing in a Disney park then apply my knowledge or intellect. Always been a bit of a disappointment to my mom.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I'm confident Obama will, at the very least, have enough sense to listen to Biden.> That doesn't fill me with any confidence at all. Sen Biden's been wrong on most of the major issues of his lifetime.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Maybe in some respects, but not in most." Seriously, don't understimate yourself. Despite the fact I think you are purposefully an obfuscating annoyance most of the time, there's no denying you're intelligent. Very intelligent. And by saying that, I'm trying to underscore just how unqualified Palin is. If I'm willing to admit YOU'D be a better choice, then what does that say for Palin? Or something.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I think Gov Palin's got the right kind of smarts for the job. I don't think Sen Obama does, although there's no doubt he's smart.
Originally Posted By dshyates "I think Gov Palin's got the right kind of smarts for the job. " Really, interesting. I have read nothing that makes me think she has any smarts at all.
Originally Posted By mapleservo "But if she becomes president she will do the exact same thing Obama did. She will name a Vice President with strong long-term experience in foreign policy to do the heavy lifting." ...or she might just pick someone out of her High School Yearbook, if this article is to be believed... <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09...lin.html</a>
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <When we are sitting down at the table with the Koreans or the Iranians or the Russians he's the guy I want representing the United States.> Boy, not me. His Palin pick has shown that he's impulsive and a gambler. Two things I DON'T want in my president. He also has a longstanding reputation as a hothead behind the scenes, and we don't need that either. We need someone coolheaded at all times. <I'm sure he had figured out in advance pretty much everything that was going to be thrown at both him and Palin.> But that is belied by all the reports the came out that indicated he chose her only after he realized that the people he wanted - Lieberman and Ridge - were unacceptable to the far right. The far right laid down the law and he capitulated. (ANOTHER quality I don't want in our next president). These reports indicate that, although Palin was one of many people his campaign had looked at - she wasn't on his own campaign's short list till A WEEK before she was announced. But the convention was coming and he had to make a choice, so he chose her. But very hurriedly. He'd met her only once. It was a risk, but one he only took as a sop to the far right of his party, and a rushed risk as well - again, doesn't speak well of what he might do as president. <You can't keep doing the same old thing and expect different results.> Exactly. And did you listen to his acceptance speech? Every thing he outlined in the middle of his speech was a Bush policy, except for earmarks (a small part of the budget overall). Othewise, it was all Bush policies, on taxes (read: more red ink), on Iraq (read: more red ink), on energy, on education, and on and on. You can't keep doing the same old (Bush) things and expect a different result. But we know McCain will. He TOLD us so. McCain showed that he will take risks on things you shouldn't take risks on - like picking an (un)qualified Veep, because he thought it would be politically advantageous - but unwilling to take a risk on the important things, like what failed policies he will continue. Seriously, RT, I respect you, but I think you have been dazzled by this Palin woman and are not thinking this through clearly.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Seriously, RT, I respect you, but I think you have been dazzled by this Palin woman and are not thinking this through clearly.<< Ditto. And now, when challenged by others (and sometimes treated shabbily and attacked when you shouldn't be) with your back up against the wall, it seems like you're determined to dig in your heels and not budge, regardless of what comes.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>it seems like you're determined to dig in your heels and not budge<< Why should he? He disagrees with you.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Why should he?<< He doesn't have to. But you can't dig your heels in and then declare everyone else "closed-minded."
