Originally Posted By Dabob2 Okay, I said what I said before I read the other thread, in which RT revealed that he thinks in his personal case as an early retire-er with a pretty good income, McCain would be more in his economic interests. That's valid for him. But I still think, RT, that you're using this new preference for McCain to go overboard on overlooking his flaws and exaggerating Obama's. And that Palin was what brought you to him is a head-scratcher for me, based on your past stated positions. But obviously you're entitled to your vote!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<But I still think, RT, that you're using this new preference for McCain to go overboard on overlooking his flaws and exaggerating Obama's. And that Palin was what brought you to him is a head-scratcher for me, based on your past stated positions. But obviously you're entitled to your vote!>> No, Palin did not bring me to McCain. I had a little fun with her being "hot" because that was the chatter of the day. It seemed a RoadTrip type thing to talk about since you all like to think I'm a horn-dog (which I'm not in real life). I was impressed with McCain’s acceptance speech for reasons I've mentioned previously and will not run through again. I defended Palin against what I felt were unfair and one-sided attacks. Just like on the other board I continue to defend Obama against unfair and one-sided attacks. I don’t have to support a person to feel that they should be treated decently. Palin was flat out being mocked here, and in my opinion mockery is never justified. Maybe that’s just me and ‘Minnesota Nice’. I said I thought she was an outstanding choice politically but never indicated I thought she would be a great president. Hopefully, McCain will finish his term and she will never have to be.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Hopefully, McCain will finish his term and she will never have to be.<< On that, we agree. What bothers me about this stunt is that a. it's clearly a political ploy and b. it's working. Maybe McCain deserves to be president for clearly understanding the American people. He certainly understands the electorate far more than I do. I would think this nation would see through this whole thing for what it is, but I'd be wrong. Rick Davis was right -- this election isn't about issues. It almost never is.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <No, Palin did not bring me to McCain. I had a little fun with her being "hot" because that was the chatter of the day. It seemed a RoadTrip type thing to talk about since you all like to think I'm a horn-dog (which I'm not in real life).> Okay, I thought you later said something like "I'm not voting for McCain in spite of Palin, I'm voting for him because of Palin" - maybe that was someone else. If so my apologies.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Okay, I thought you later said something like "I'm not voting for McCain in spite of Palin, I'm voting for him because of Palin">> I did say that. But I went on to explain that it was not because of Palin's qualities. I was impressed with McCain for being so damned crafty with his choice!! He gave himself a shot at winning when no one before thought he had a snowball’s chance in hell. Like the decision or hate it, you have to admire his ability to go after a goal.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Like the decision or hate it, you have to admire his ability to go after a goal.<< No I don't, not even a little bit. McCain, Mr. "Country First" just put his election over the country. He picked a no-name nobody with no credentials because she's a woman. That's pandering to the lowest common denominator, it's not "going after a goal." BTW, if Obama picked some A list movie star or Oprah to be his running mate, I seriously doubt anyone would be defending him by saying "Well, he did what was popular to win. I admire him for going after the goal."
Originally Posted By dshyates Sort of like "McCain would rather win an election than provide responsible leadership for our country".
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>McCain, Mr. "Country First" just put his election over the country.<< Exactly. And it only compounds it when they try and puff up her experience to more than it has been. But it seems to be working, so there ya go. He's a great politician. But he sure as hell is not putting "Country First".
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It was also a rather patronizing choice, IMO. A man with Palin's credentials would never have been chosen. Don't even try to pretend that was possible. No way, no how. ALL of the men on McCain's short list had far better credentials. <<Okay, I thought you later said something like "I'm not voting for McCain in spite of Palin, I'm voting for him because of Palin">> <I did say that.> Okay, so when you say something like "I'm voting for him because of Palin," that caused me to say that Palin brought you to him - not unreasonable. No harm, no foul.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy What's really curious about this whole thing is that everyone was touting Obama's youth and "inexperience." He mad a very reasoned and responsible selection for Vice President. He didn't choose the rock star personality or fleeting fad of the day. He chose a well respected individual in Joe Biden who has presidential qualities of his own. On the other hand, we have John McCain. This guy is supposed to be the "experienced" politician who we can trust to make sound decisions. What does he do? He goes out on a limb, picking the riskiest possible running mate for himself and the country. Are these the kind of wreckless decisions we can expect from John McCain in 4 years as President. Really, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Its the same sort of wrecklessness that got us into Iraq.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Gov Palin was far from the riskiest possible running mate*** In terms of global security concerns..she's damned near the top. An unexperienced, naive extremist is the last thing America needs in dealing with the very real dangers posed by Iran, N Korea, possibly Russia, and certainly plenty of others. Irresponsible choice to say the least. McCain only cares about winning the election and damn the potential costs down the road.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <An unexperienced, naive extremist is the last thing America needs in dealing with the very real dangers posed by Iran, N Korea, possibly Russia, and certainly plenty of others.> A good reason not to elect Sen Obama, huh? <McCain only cares about winning the election and damn the potential costs down the road.> I certainly don't believe that's true.
Originally Posted By Mr X I certainly do. And on the issue if international relations, you can say whatever you want but it's obvious to me that Obama has loads more experience. Not to mention, he actually cares about it and is extensively educated. Sorry, but those actually matter to me. After 8 years of Bush I'm sure you're perfectly happy electing any dimwit that comes along, but I suppose I just have higher standards.
Originally Posted By Mr X Lemme guess Doug's next move here... He's going to feign outrage at the very idea that I would dare to question her interest in international relations, given the fact that her son was recently deployed to Iraq.
Originally Posted By mapleservo Those of you looking for a serious unbiased analysis of Sarah Palin's credentials, look elsewhere, BUT... ...this made me laugh. (and I feel bad about it, but not TOO bad.) <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2008/09/22/080922sh_shouts_saunders?currentPage=all" target="_blank">http://www.newyorker.com/humor...Page=all</a>
Originally Posted By Mr X ***She’s just Regular as heck.*** Ain't it the truth. Although, most of the regular folks I know (and they're all regular, I don't know any vip's except for that I met Aerosmith once from a radio contest and some famous Japanese guy named Papaya Suzuki (seriously) but he didn't speak English to me so the conversation was short) are far less right wing all kindsa krazy than this chick.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Gov Palin was far from the riskiest possible running mate." Well, I hear Amy Winehouse is in "Rehab".
Originally Posted By Skellington88 >>I didn't decide to vote for McCain in spite of his choice of Palin. I decided to vote for McCain BECAUSE of his choice of Palin. Not because I think Palin is all that great, but because McCain actually figured out a way to give himself a shot at winning.<< Why are you so sure Mccain picked Palin? Seems more like the republican party storngarmed mccain into choosing her because they were never going to go for his top pick (Lieberman) plus the republicans felt they could get the disgruntled hillary clinton supporters. Mccain does not "think outside the box" he does what he is told. I love how hes been making the rounds on the news saying that whats going on on Wall Street is "outrageous" and needs to be "investigated and stoped" well guess what Mccain was in on it and has a history of poor judgement when concerning economic matters (Keaton 5 scandal) and he even claims that almost every major policy concerning the economy has gone through his desk basically admitting that he allowed this economic crisis to happen. Mccain is in the pocket of big business. He doesn't give two s**ts what happens to you or any other hard working american. Unless your in the wealthy top 5% of America there is really no reason for you to vote Mccain.
