Save DLs Mansion NOW! MKs already dead...

Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

^^ The switching heads thing is amazing.

 

Originally Posted By Dabob2

Wow - I saw the initial video and wasn't impressed, but the head switching and beard gags are great! In the comments section, it says they can distinguish between a single rider and two riders for the head-switch, and the beard will "follow" your face if you move.

Now this is a "plus" I can get behind!

 

Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan

As much as I don't care for the way the new stuff in the queue looks, I feel exactly the opposite about the new Hitchiking Ghosts effects based on that video. Very cool, innovative and the sort of Imagineering thing that leaves people wondering how in the world they do it. Awesome "plus"!

 

Originally Posted By lesmisfan

I like it! I wouldn't mind if they tested this out here at disneyland just to see how it works. Disney is not supposed to be a museum of rides you do not touch because they are, "classics," disney is always supposed to change, and improve.

 

Originally Posted By RoadTrip

Wow... that was GREAT!

 

Originally Posted By mawnck

>>It must be preserved, especially in light of the fact that POTC, and IASW, two classics, have been irrevocably tainted by the addition of characters to "plus" the ride experience.<<

I most certainly buy it in the case of IASW, which was intended as a cohesive presentation with a specific message, designed in a very specific style by a highly regarded artist. Sticking Stitch in there screws that up.

But Mansion and Pirates are a series of loosely connected vignettes, quite suited to changes and plussing, especially as technology evolves.

The mirror thing looks to me like a very DISNEY sort of plus.

BTW, I wouldn't exactly call the characters in IASW and POTC "irrevocable" ...

 

Originally Posted By DBitz2

>>I like it! I wouldn't mind if they tested this out here at disneyland just to see how it works. Disney is not supposed to be a museum of rides you do not touch because they are, "classics," disney is always supposed to change, and improve.<<

Al Lutz blogged two or three years ago that some interactive HHG mirror effects were being considered for DL's Mansion. Even though WDW got it first, I'm hopeful the effects will "materialize" here, too.

I was just at WDW a couple of weeks ago, so JUST missed getting to see this and the new interactive queue stuff. We did see the interim projections in the mirror hallway. That was fun, but, I would rather have seen this in person!

 

Originally Posted By TMICHAEL

I can only echo what Kar2oonMan said in post 43, The outdoor interactive elements, for me, pretty much suck. These new Hitch Hiking Ghost effects, on the other hand, are quite fun and made me laugh at their cleverness. Huge improvement over the Peppers Ghost heads on a stick.

 

Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance

Wow those mirror effects were awesome. That is exactly the kind of change everyone should be hoping for. It keeps it classic but at the same time freshens it up and makes it funner.
Now I'm going to feel cheated riding the DL version.

If you're against these, I'm not sure what to say to you. And it's probably best to keep my mouth shut anyway.

 

Originally Posted By FerretAfros

While I don't hate the new ending, I am a little leary of using CGI as a replacement for real AA's (no matter how limited their motion). There's just something about having a real figure to add to the reality of the attractions. No matter how well done, CGI is rarely undetectible. Especially given that this attraction will be showing these projections for years to come, I don't think that these effects will age all that well.

However, if there was some way to use a combination of AAs and the new effects, I think that this could really work. I don't mind the concept itself for these effects, but I'm not sure that the execution of them is the best for the long-term solution that the attraction needs.

It will also be interesting to see how the technology holds up. It looks like it worked fine during several visits in the video, but projectors seem to lack some of the reliability of a ghost-on-a-stick.

 

Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

"Especially given that this attraction will be showing these projections for years to come, I don't think that these effects will age all that well."

You don't think it'll hold up better than 40 year old mannequins?

 

Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub

or maybe that hanging man with the rope around his neck could be taught some Cirque de Soleil tricks by the Imagineers.

I am not going to be disillusioned anymore

Change is good

Except for that small voice that forewarns me I will miss that creepy feeling of having a ghost by my side just accompanying me home without performing any tricks.

 

Originally Posted By RoadTrip

<<It will also be interesting to see how the technology holds up. It looks like it worked fine during several visits in the video, but projectors seem to lack some of the reliability of a ghost-on-a-stick.>>

Of course all of us here are such fans of bird-on-a-stick.

 

Originally Posted By FerretAfros

>>You don't think it'll hold up better than 40 year old mannequins?<<

Not really. While the old mannequins are old, they still fit the overall look and texture of the attraction. This introduces something new right at the very end, as sort of a disjointed experience. The talking bride also has this same problem, so maybe this will help her fit in a little better.

But CGI just rarely ages well. For example, look at It's Tough to Be a Bug in DCA and DAK. It uses a CGI film and some AAs of characters from the feature. 13 years after the attraction opened in DAK (the features in the DCA version are identical for this discussion), the film just looks really out of date. The AAs, created at the same time for similar characters to the ones onscreen, still look fine.

Of course, this isn't to say that Disney won't ever upgrade the looks of the CGI ghosts in coming years, as computer capabilities continue to grow. However, given what we've seen from them so far (especially with technology that's 'easily updated' like projections and simulators), I'm not holding my breath. At this moment in time, the CGI may look great. 5 years from now, who knows what it will look like. In 10-15, it will look pretty bad. That's just the lifecycle of CGI. Just look at the original Toy Story, and compare it with TS3; the rendering capabilities in the original are downright distracting at times. The effects themselves work for me, but I really worry about their presentation in years to come.

 

Originally Posted By FerretAfros

>>Of course all of us here are such fans of bird-on-a-stick. <<

Say what you will about it, but how reliable is the bird-on-a-stick, when compared with using the latest-and-greatest technology for a nifty effect? : )

 

Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

>>You don't think it'll hold up better than 40 year old mannequins?<<

"Not really. While the old mannequins are old, they still fit the overall look and texture of the attraction. This introduces something new right at the very end, as sort of a disjointed experience. The talking bride also has this same problem, so maybe this will help her fit in a little better."

I think I get what you're saying, but it's an argument that is a bit over-analytical and weak to me. What they've done is certainly not nearly as out of sync with the attraction as Haunted Mansion Holiday (which I hate) and people seem to love that. As for reliability, well what do you really know about this effect and its reliability?

"Of course, this isn't to say that Disney won't ever upgrade the looks of the CGI ghosts in coming years, as computer capabilities continue to grow."

I'm willing to bet my shirt that when they do there will be skeptical fans complaining about any changes.

 

Originally Posted By oc_dean

So no one thinks the Hitch Hiking Ghost trick at the end .. is a little too "LOONEY TOONS" for you? And does not interrupt the "creepy" "spooky" flow of the attraction?

 

Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

Some people do and some people don't. Most people seem to like it from what I can tell from the reaction here and over on the WDW boards. The response from guests in the link suggest that visitors seem to be having fun with the new effects.

 

Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub

and most important Iger must be a genius.

A few cgi effects and all comments about new attractions and overcrowding cease!

For every new cgi effect Disney can justify building another Hotel on property. From the looks of the POP Century addition alone; there will be massive amounts of new peoples. It is huge!

 

Originally Posted By aquamoptop

Some people feel it looks Looney Tunes-ish but others are comparing it to a silly symphonies short called Lonesome Ghosts...I see Lonesome Ghosts inspired hitchhiking ghosts.

Not sure what happened in the WDW forum but the thread about this had VANISHED!! Poof!! Like your head on the attraction now!!