Originally Posted By dizkid Dalmatians!!! One thing I think would be very cool about having the New HHG scene in DL would be when the HM is changed to HMH we might see some cool new effects with Lock Shock and Barrel.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub My one and only 101 post and i blew it . now I am blaming hans for that!!!
Originally Posted By dizkid Now it looks like I am reffering to the sequel to the live action version starring glenn close.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>For whatever it's worth the original guidebook description of the Haunted Mansion described it as "frightfully funny". << It's one thing to open up a book and quote a line out of it. And another to have a creative team sit down, and very carefully figure out how to implement special effects, and have them designed in a way that match the rest of the tone of the ride. Over a couple decades .. the imagineering teams responsible for all of Haunted Mansions subtle enhancements have done a terrific job .. utilizing their talents, and full understanding of the attraction 'from stem to stern' .. and blend new improvements in. It's my hope they use the same sensibilities with this new trick ... IF that WDW change .. is destined for Anaheim. I just hope it's not exactly WDW's. With it's "looney toons" edge about it.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""I see nothing wrong with Monsters Inc"" You see nothing wrong w/ CGI monster characters from the modern day set and placed in a land about the future and mankinds future achievement? WOW. Culture has failed you. ""everytime I go in there people are laughing and having a great time."" They also laugh at the end of SSE. again, WDW guests....ehhhhhh.. umm.... ya know..... ""people were falling asleep standing up"" If people were fallign asleep (which i NEVER saw), to a film starring Robin Williams of all people, with a plot revolving around time travel w/ Jules Verne and HG Wells then they obviosuly had the attention span of a gnat and no taste. I ALWAYS did TK when i was in the park and i ALWAYS saw guests laughing at Robins lines and the beautiful way the film was crafted. Many CMs still quote lines from TK for fun. Gimme a break....
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "It's one thing to open up a book and quote a line out of it. And another to have a creative team sit down, and very carefully figure out how to implement special effects, and have them designed in a way that match the rest of the tone of the ride." Maybe, but the purpose of a guidebook is to convey the tone of the show or attraction to the uneducated guest visiting the park. Anyone wondering about the HM in those early years understood from reading the phrase "frightfully funny" that the attraction was more lighthearted than scary. I keep reading comments about people saying that the goofiness doesn't fit, yet there are ghosts riding bicycles and having tea atop tombs in the graveyard just before entering the hall of mirrors. This new series of clever interactive gags does not upset the overall tone of the attraction... at least not as far as I can tell.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<You see nothing wrong w/ CGI monster characters from the modern day set and placed in a land about the future and mankinds future achievement?>> Get real. Tomorrowland stopped being about the future a LONG time ago. Please explain the future connection for the Tomorrowland Speedway, Buzz Lightyear and Carousel of Progress (outside of the song mentioning tomorrow). And correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe Jules Verne and HG Wells were in the past, not the future. And have you ever listened to the pre-show for Monsters? Here is the backstory: <<This attraction is set after the events of the Disney/Pixar animated film Monsters, Inc. Monstropolis is running on safe, clean "laugh power," but even now it still needs more laughs to provide for the needs of the monster world. To that end, Mike Wazowski suggests opening up Monstropolis' first comedy club. Humans will temporarily enter the monster world via a door the monsters have placed in Tomorrowland. During their visit, guests will be entertained by Monsters, Inc.'s top comedians, where their laughs will be collected and converted to electricity>> The story is set in the FUTURE of Monstropolis. Sure, that may be a stretch. But no more of a stretch than the Timekeeper was.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Those ghosts having tea, and riding bicycles ... like all the other ghosts are either silent, talking, or singing "grim grinning ghosts". The amount of added sound effects .. are at a minimum or non existent. If those things followed the exact art direction the new Hitch-Hiking Ghosts doing ... then you'd hear a whirling "woosh" making circles on the bike. (Watch a cartoon where a character makes a fast "get away" .. and you'll know what I mean.) The bicyling ghost will have added "chain link" noises. The tea scene .. they'll be making clink sounds against each pot to each other. Throw in a "gulp, gulp, gulp," .. "siiiiiip" while you're at it. And be sure to accentuate it .. for the silly factor. Since it's all just one entirely silly romp with a bunch of silly ghosts. As there's an art to how Sound can add to an element within a ride .. there is also the art of how no sound, or very little can _add_ to an attraction. ________________________ On another note........ In an attraction like Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin ... add all the dings, pops, fart sounds, you want. Go for it. It's appropriate given the "toony" nature of the attraction. But my argument isn't just about "toony" sounds. It's also projecting 2D images with so animated movements to the hitchkikers ... it lacks a connection to the overall look with the rest of the ride. As I said .... if this is destined to come to Anaheim, I'd ask the creative team to examine closely ... go ahead and make it funny. But careful on the amount of "Roger Rabbit" visual and sound effects. The ride is still trying to maintain some "haunting" qualities .. in addition to the "silly" factor.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Trippy .. thank you for throwing in the towel and giving up to any cohesion to the theme of Tomorrowland. It's a great big beautiful toon world today isn't it? But someday ... some common sense may prevail, and a newer management say - What were they thinking??!
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "As there's an art to how Sound can add to an element within a ride .. there is also the art of how no sound, or very little can _add_ to an attraction." I think you're over-thinking this a little. Have you considered that there's no sound of bicycles "whooshing" because this is the scene where the attraction's song Grim Grinning Ghosts is playing?
Originally Posted By HMButler79 RT, you CANNOT be serious about how HG Wells and Jules Verne are NOT futuristic? Do you really spend that much time watching MTV and E!? My god man....WDI built DiscoveryLand around all thier works and ideas! They were futurists and visonaries just like Walt. So WHAT if they lived in the 1800s? What ignorance..........
Originally Posted By mawnck >>WOW. Culture has failed you. << Seems to me that it's failed all of us.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Have you considered that there's no sound of bicycles "whooshing" because this is the scene where the attraction's song Grim Grinning Ghosts is playing?<< There are many attractions with overlapping sound effects on top of other audio bits and pieces, including song. All appropriately and blended in carefully, depending on the exact sound, and place. For instance ... Grim Grinning Ghost is playing ... but the dog at the entrance to the graveyard is making a whimper sound. We're meant to hear that despite the song. A crow is making his YAK sound .. despite the chorus in song. All appropriately placed audio bits, and appropriately placed 'silence' to add to the effect of the "haunted" side of the mansion, while the "funny" song plays out to balance it all out, for that perfect "frightfully funny" mixture. And my earlier point was .. if the designers responsible for the h.h.g's new element, took the same vein elsewhere in the attraction .. they could turn up (or is that toon up) more overlapping sound effects. Where, really, it would be a bit overkill. My original-original point .. is to watch very carefully that fine line .. and not over do it on the "funny" .. then it feels less of a haunted mansion. It's my opinion the designers who did that effect did it a bit zealously, to emphasizing cheazy sound effects that make me feel like I'm on Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin. >>I think you're over-thinking this a little.<< And I thought you'd appreciate me stating specific points why the new effect should not be transferred, as is, from WDW. Sort of works like this: Forum Member One: Subject A is wrong Forum Member Two: If you don't like Subject A, list specific reasons why you think Subject A is wrong. Like all LP discussions usually go.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<They were futurists and visonaries just like Walt. So WHAT if they lived in the 1800s?>> Leonardo da Vinci was also a futurist and a visionary, and he WOULD NOT BELONG in Tomorrowland if it held to its original theme. I swear to God, you make this crap up as you go. There is no consistency or logic to your posts.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Boy .. some of us old time LPers have settled a little too early into our grumpy grandfather chairs .. haven't we?! Why don't some of you stand up just a little for HMButler's point of how Disney has gone astray with the Tomorrowland theme, and inappropriately placing anything from small effects (HHghosts).. to large scale rides (Monsters Inc, Stitch, etc)... that have a little too much "fantasyland" going on in them .... Does anyone stand up for anything? Or are we just going to be a wishy-washy group .......... "Oh, it brings laughs, so why not?" to "I think Monsters Inc is okay in TOMORROWland." Come on, I know a few of you are better than that! I'll tell ya'what What I'm asking - Don't just look at the youtube video just once. Look at the HHghosts mirror scene a few times, and maybe ... just maybe .. you might get an idea what I'm getting at. thank you
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Why don't some of you stand up just a little for HMButler's point of how Disney has gone astray with the Tomorrowland theme>> Because it is ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE that Disney did so. The problem with Tomorrowland's original concept is that the vision of tomorrow changes too rapidly. The vision of our future now is FAR different than what it was in the 60's. I remember at that point we thought the year 20000 would have us in flying cars and freeways running through the sky in Plexiglas tubes. Didn't quite turn out that way, did it? Thank God the austere white concrete design of WDW's original Tomorrowland also ended up having no relationship to reality. So Disney did the only thing that really made sense... they reshaped Tomorrowland as a Jules Verne inspired vision of a future that never was. It has become a sci-fi fantasyland, and I don't mind that one bit. Visually it is FAR more interesting than the original. It is absolutely gorgeous at night... far prettier than any of the other MK lands. The original WDW Tomorrowland was probably my least favorite land... now it is one of my favorites.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Um... year 2000, not 20000. By 20000 we might actually have flying cars, if we still exist.
