Originally Posted By DlandDug I have no strong opinion on this. The MK's SWSA always seemed very dated to me-- but the scenes were always so charming and there was certainly more story than the "atmospheric" treatment at DL. A refreshed SWSA, with the luxury of space offered at the MK would be preferable to me. The idea that there shouldn't necessarilly be two attractions for one film in such close proximity seems silly to me. At DL we have Casey jr. and Dumbo, both from the same film. There are teacups and a charming Mad Hatter themed shop, right next door to Alice's own ride through. No one has ever complained that there's "too much Alice!" I would rather see a charming grotto or stately hall built down at that dreary corner where the Skyway has been shuttered for so many years. This would also make a great spot for families with kids who aren't ready for Haunted Mansion to send the younger kids off with one parent to meet the princesses.
Originally Posted By brotherdave Sadly, I think once the princesses move into the space where Snow White's Scary Adventures currently is, they'll never leave. I was hoping that if we were losing SWSA for the mine train, that a replacement dark ride would emerge instead of this. Once the girls move in, forget it. It will instantly become another revenue maker with photos to sell and adjacent gift shops to sell more princess stuff. And if you think a Rapunzel/Tangled ride will move in there, I suppose it could someday. But it took more than 22 years for Ariel to finally get a ride built for her! Nope, this space will forever be a m&g/retail area. I agree with DlandDug. Why can't the princesses occupy the space where the Skyway station once was and use the SWSA area for another C-Ticket dark ride??? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the new Seven Dwarf Mine coaster. It sounds like a great addition. I just hate the thought of losing one ride for another. It just amazes me that Disneyland's FL can have FIVE "C"-Ticket dark rides in such a tight area (plus two more elsewhere in the park with Pooh and Roger Rabbit), while the Magic Kingdom, with all the space that WDW can provide, will now be down to a meer two. Where's the added attractions and capacity that are sorely needed???
Originally Posted By Manfried I am glad to see the meet and greet come in, and not too sad to see Snow White's Scary Adventures go away. Anything to move forward and show me that Staggs is not going to get petrified by fanbois protests.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Anything to move forward and show me that Staggs is not going to get petrified by fanbois protests.<<< And now if only he'll show us if he can continue this line of quality he's started up...
Originally Posted By brotherdave Sorry, but the meet&greets are a poor replacement for a dark ride. It truly baffles me why anyone would want meet and greets over a ride, even a tired ride by someone's standards!!! Sure, I'm glad to see the new coaster, but couldn't we have both the coaster and the ride??? The infrastructure is already there for a new dark ride. All they need to do is a retheme. Even with these great new additions (Little Mermaid, Mine Coaster, B&B area,), Magic Kingdom's Fantasyland is still just a pale comparison to what is in Anaheim. And the circus area looks bare. Hopefully something new will appear there. If anything is truly tired and stale in this whol FL redo is the circus tents leftover from Mickey's Birthdayland/Starland/Toontown Fair. They were only supposed to be temporary back in 1988. If anything should go away over a dark ride are those #@&*% tents!!!
Originally Posted By Expo_Seeker40 SWSA is nowhere near as good as it used to be when it was "scary". It's very outdated, looks tacky, and a new more immersive ride will be replacing it across the pathway. The princess crap does belong in fantasyland, not in a circus tent or in a temporary main street photo lab.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 ^^^Isn't it a little early to say the coaster will be more immersive? What we know is that its a coaster that will swing and have music from the film. We have no idea how long the experience will be or how many scenes there will be. I agree a redo of Snow White would be a better use of the space than another meet and greet. Especially since it seems that Disney will be installing more meet and greets into the Studios.
Originally Posted By brotherdave And everyone knows that WDW just can't have enough Meet and Greets!!! Seriously...A meet and greet is better than having a classic dark ride???? For one, why can't there be two rides based on Snow White? And if SWSA must go, why can't it be rethemed into another dark ride (ala Toad into Pooh)??? The Magic Kingdom needs MORE rides, not the status quo, to meet capacity and to attract more attendance. There's plenty of unsused space elsewhere to put the princesses...
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Please stab it deeply and quickly. no love lost*** Dennis, put down the knife and take your medication! But yeah, I do kind of agree. While they're at it, they should rip out that stupid Peter Pan ride too...and, er, stab it too. Only Tokyo has cutting edge dark rides anyway, everyone knows that, so they might as well trash em if they can't do it right! Yeah! <---kicks Dopey and hands apple to Snow
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Please stab it deeply and quickly. no love lost*** Dennis, put down the knife and take your medication! But yeah, I do kind of agree. While they're at it, they should rip out that stupid Peter Pan ride too...and, er, stab it too. Only Tokyo has cutting edge dark rides anyway, everyone knows that, so they might as well trash em if they can't do it right! Yeah! <---kicks Dopey and hands apple to Snow
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper I don't think anyone is celebrating that SWSA is closing. But out of a choice of the first FLE plan and this one, I'm taking this one no questions asked.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<I don't think anyone is celebrating that SWSA is closing.>> Speak for yourself. Good riddance!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Sorry, but the meet&greets are a poor replacement for a dark ride. It truly baffles me why anyone would want meet and greets over a ride, even a tired ride by someone's standards!!! Sure, I'm glad to see the new coaster, but couldn't we have both the coaster and the ride??? The infrastructure is already there for a new dark ride. All they need to do is a retheme. <<< THIS.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Speak for yourself. Good riddance!>> I mean I'm not gonna miss it, but I understand where people are coming from that they want a ride there.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Think if we protest hard enough to save this beloved original Fantasyland attraction from being removed, we'll be heard??<< A few key notes - * Too little is known on the Mine Train to be calling it a worthy replacement and an improvement on the current dark ride. * One such rumor says the mine train will be 1/3rd indoor .... 2/3rds outdoors. Places where the "eye candy" would look best would be in enclosed "controlled lighting" sections of the ride. If there are enough "dark ride" rooms along the mine train's path .... then the loss of the dark ride won't be so bad at all. But if it's going to be a lightly themed mine train, with one piddly dark-room scene that last less than 20 seconds .... then the loss of the 3 minute dark ride would be felt. I remember it being a bit better than DL's version. DL's cuts off too soon, with the witch falling. But if memory serves ... I think WDW's version was a more "complete" version. If it goes .. from what I've heard ... it won't be till around 2012? Is that right? Here's at least one vote, that TDO does not cheap out, and convert one of Fantasyland's few dark ride facilities into some cheap Meet & Greet. If anything .... there's a mall "quality" along that stretch or "flank" off from Cinderella's castle. If they really want to emphasis a cheap quality along that "mall/sh" flank .. throw in some princesses like it's a retail front. That will really emphasis this stretch of Fantasyland to be reminiscent of a retail mall. TDO will really succeed with that one! My hunch is .. they are being really tight on the budget. Rather than some poster's better idea .. by using the space where Skyway was. Seems cheaper to just gut Snow White .. doesn't it?! I hope someone will be "the wiser" and come up with Revision Number 3, to this so-called "Fantasyland Expansion".
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<One such rumor says the mine train will be 1/3rd indoor .... 2/3rds outdoors.>> Not the case. Other way around.
Originally Posted By oc_dean wdwmagic.com discussion boards went over this. I don't think anyone is quite sure. We need more details on this.
Originally Posted By oc_dean This came to my mind. As TDO apparently has the worst reputation for budgeting their projects ... I would not doubt that they cannibalize the dark ride, for parts to the Mine Train ride. But if the mine train opens .. before the dark ride closes .. then that idea goes out the window.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper A friend who has seen the plans and worked on portions of the FLE has told me it will mostly be inside.
