Originally Posted By CuriousConstance DIsneylandfan85, What's going to happen if they do announce that a Star Wars expansion will happen in the Toontown area? Will it really be that horrible? Either it will happen or it won't, but worrying about it won't change either outcome.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I think Iger's comment was 100% accurate. Star Wars will have an expanded presence in the Disney Parks. That will happen for sure. And I think Disneyland will get an expanded Star Wars presence at some point in time. When and where that will be is nothing but conjecture at this point. I have no doubt that conceptual drawings exist for Star Wars in Toontown. I'm sure they also exist for Star Wars in Tomorrowland. Just because plans are ready to go does not mean they will be approved. So I don't see it as a one guy has to be wrong, one guy has to be right situation. Instead of wasting time trying to read tea leaves, you should just wait for D23 as has been suggested.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "What's going to happen if they do announce that a Star Wars expansion will happen in the Toontown area?" From where I sit an exploding head is the most likely outcome.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I just can't picture Star Wars Land being shoehorned into what is now Toon Town. True, Toon Town is awkward, both in look and location, but at least Toon Town is more related thematically to Fantasyland. 'Star Wars' -- like it or not -- has more in common thematically (given the current line-up of characters) with Tomorrowland than any other section of the Park. It would be like shoving Star Wars Land into that space behind Main Street that was slated for Liberty Street. I suppose you could - but why?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "True, Toon Town is awkward, both in look and location, but at least Toon Town is more related thematically to Fantasyland." Yup, exactly how I feel too. I keep trying to envision how it might feel to step from Small World mall into Star Wars and I can't. I suppose anything is possible, and with some major reworking of the FL Theater, Toontown and maybe even Big Thunder Ranch they could make it fit, but the theme just feels so awkward for that section of the park.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>If I remember correctly, when WDW1974 posted at LP he was not a Disney employee, but an Independent consultant doing work for Disney<< I don't remember him being a consultant, but that would explain how he knows so many people. In addition to his unnamed sources, it was pretty clear that he has had a lot of face time with various "well known" (by fan standards) Disney execs >>As for WDW1974, maybe his track record is good at WDW, but what about the Disneyland Resort?<< From what I recall, he typically waits to say anything until he knows it to be true, regardless of its origin. But since he's based in Florida, he may simply not be exposed to the most current information from DLR. He doesn't have a bad record with DLR information, he just doesn't have much record to go on
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>'Star Wars' -- like it or not -- has more in common thematically (given the current line-up of characters) with Tomorrowland than any other section of the Park.<< That may be true, but if they're going to completely demolish Toontown and replace it with something entirely new, I don't think it particularly matters what it abuts. Sure there may be some transitional issues to work out (though I think the iasw façade could work to bridge Fantasyland with Star Wars pretty easily) but overall it's an area unto itself. Does it matter that there's no logical connection between Frontierland and Fantasyland, or a bug's land and Hollywoodland? The iasw area is already geographically and visually separated from the rest of Fantasyland, with its own distinct style. Although Star Wars has yet another style, I think that the geometric shapes of the façade and industrial-ish details of that area could made the transition easier than nearly anywhere else in the park. Additionally, the train tracks would still presumably serve as a physical barrier between the two, so I don't think that much of a transition would be required Other than Star Tours sitting in Tomorrowland (a funny place for a story set "Long ago..."), there's really no reason to not consider the Toontown site
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I don't see a huge problem with Star Wars in the Toontown location as far as being "out of place". Fantasyland also abuts Tomorrowland, so what is the difference? The main problem I see is the fireworks situation. As for getting rid of Toontown, I personally wouldn't care. The times I've visited DL I've never even bothered to see it. I'm sure no matter where it goes some people will wish it went somewhere else.
Originally Posted By Disneylandfan85 >>"True, Toon Town is awkward, both in look and location, but at least Toon Town is more related thematically to Fantasyland." Yup, exactly how I feel too. I keep trying to envision how it might feel to step from Small World mall into Star Wars and I can't. I suppose anything is possible, and with some major reworking of the FL Theater, Toontown and maybe even Big Thunder Ranch they could make it fit, but the theme just feels so awkward for that section of the park.<< Plus, the Toontown area needs to close down for the fireworks, and so would the Star Wars area if it went back there. They are about to debut a new fireworks show for the 60th, and I have a feeling that the new show will stick for as long as Remember Dreams Come True and Magical both had, if not longer. I don't think they would want to shut down something as popular as Star Wars just for this. I also don't think that they're going to put it all indoors either. While it would certainly keep the area open, it wouldn't entirely protect the building from any accidental fire that may occur, if the recent damage near Small World is any indication.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Fantasyland also abuts Tomorrowland, so what is the difference?" There's a big difference because of that huge visual obstruction called the Matterhorn that separates the two realms. While the mountain itself is obviously a FL attraction the transition with the Monorail beams, Subs, Autopia, etc is pretty gentle. Surely the designers could create a nice transition into the area where TT is for SW, but I can't help but think how strange it would be to have Small World, a very classically DISNEY icon juxtaposed with Star Wars. Also, unlike the MK, which has a better traffic flow layout than DL, the back of DL Park strikes me as a pretty out of the way location for something as big as a SW Land.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Wow. I'm sitting here coming to the realization that Tomorrowland may re-open all 3 currently closed attractions with nothing more than a few meet-n-greets and a new movie trailer in the theater. How depressing. I actually thought all these shuttered attractions may have been building to something new and exciting.<< I don't see how TWDC centers it's focus on longterm solutions to the attractions you list (Innoventions, Starcade, Magic Eye Theater) ... and leave the rest of the sagging looking land just the way it is. Surely there is one master plan that entails the whole land. Until they want to make that commitment, I see continuing "short term" solutions, like exhibits, meet and greets, and promos for new films.
Originally Posted By oc_dean It wouldn't be the first time spaces in TL were used for temporary attractions till something better came along: Don't forget Monsanto's "Fashion & Fabrics Through The Ages" exhibit, that took over Kaiser: Hall of Aluminum Fame's space in 1965 <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://davelandblog.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/tomorrowland-fashion-show-march-1965.html">http://davelandblog.blogspot.c...965.html</a> Which later led to ATIS.
Originally Posted By Disneylandfan85 >>I think Iger's comment was 100% accurate. Star Wars will have an expanded presence in the Disney Parks. That will happen for sure. And I think Disneyland will get an expanded Star Wars presence at some point in time. When and where that will be is nothing but conjecture at this point. I have no doubt that conceptual drawings exist for Star Wars in Toontown. I'm sure they also exist for Star Wars in Tomorrowland. Just because plans are ready to go does not mean they will be approved. So I don't see it as a one guy has to be wrong, one guy has to be right situation.<< I'm not trying to pit one against the other. Not intentionally anyway. I'm just trying to make sense of their comments so I can see which one makes more sense.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "From where I sit an exploding head is the most likely outcome." Heh. "I'm just trying to make sense of their comments so I can see which one makes more sense." Which you've been doing for months now. Maybe you should wait until there's more info before your mext try.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip DLF85: What would I do if I were you? I am 100% serious about this... it is how I have approached many things in my life. I would assume that Star Wars may take Toontown away forever. I would visit DL and spend the entire day at Toontown, enjoying every nook and cranny and taking photos of everything. Having done that I would say goodbye, and thank it for having given me so much pleasure over the years. Then, if it indeed goes away, you will have a wonderful memory. If it does not (as I suspect) you will be delighted. Do what is needed to be happy. It doesn't happen naturally, and it certainly doesn't happen if it relies on decisions you have no control over. Let It Go.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>While the mountain itself is obviously a FL attraction...<< Well, when it first opened it was a TL attraction : ) (though I agree that it fits the current Fantasyland, with its storybook facades, far more than the current mess in TL) >>Also, unlike the MK, which has a better traffic flow layout than DL, the back of DL Park strikes me as a pretty out of the way location for something as big as a SW Land.<< I imagine that if they decide to use Toontown for Star Wars, they will make considerations for traffic, like a second entrance from the Big Thunder Ranch to avoid a dead-end. Splash Mountain was a huge draw in a back corner of the park when it opened, but they knew what they were doing and preemptively built the bridge over the POTC queue to help handle the increased foot traffic to that area. I trust that they would do the same sort of considerations for something as big as an assumed Star Wars land
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Well, when it first opened it was a TL attraction : )> Sorta. From 1959 to roughly 1972, the guidebooks listed it as TL, and most of the promo pieces did as well. Yet, the E tickets always listed it as FaL (I have E tickets from various years of the era, and they all do), as did the famous attraction poster. Always. So it was never listed "solely" as TL. Even when DL's own promo pieces listed it as TL, its own tickets and attraction poster listed it as FaL. Around 1973, the guidebooks and promo pieces lined up and started listing it as FaL also. Given how tightly scripted DL is, and how they (and Walt) couldn't possibly have missed such a discrepancy, it seems to me the dual-listing thing had to be intentional, i.e. essentially telling visitors "it's somewhere in the border region, accessible from either land." Not that anyone could sort of miss it anyway.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 < It doesn't happen naturally, and it certainly doesn't happen if it relies on decisions you have no control over. Let It Go.> Yep. Disneylandfan85, God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. I'd have italicized that last line if it was possible here.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>...as did the famous attraction poster. Always.<< I actually have that poster hanging on the wall in front of me right this very moment. I suppose I probably should have looked up before I hit 'post'! : )
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA >>...as did the famous attraction poster. Always.<< I actually have that poster hanging on the wall in front of me right this very moment. I suppose I probably should have looked up before I hit 'post'! : )> Where's the fun in that?
