Originally Posted By monorailblue I've no idea what is going into Innoventions (I've already speculated that the answer is: nothing), but how does a D23 exhibit eliminate the possibility of a Disneyland exhibit-like Attraction for the 60th (or beyond)? It may make it less likely, but it certainly doesn't eliminate the possibility. I'd like to see a rotating theater presentation of some kind with exit through the center of the building into a brand new, expansive Disney gallery upstairs.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>how does a D23 exhibit eliminate the possibility of a Disneyland exhibit-like Attraction for the 60th (or beyond)? << It doesn't. D23 is held for about a week. Then it's over! Something within DL would go on for months .. or maybe even a couple of years. Plus ... it's only a redundancy to the few who will end up attending D23 and visit DL as well. Why is the TWDC going to worry about a small niche of people who will have to put up with the redundancy? Boo-hoo. Isn't that a bit selfish? We have what? About a couple of thousand visiting D23 to the 12-15 million who pour through the DL gates every year? I'm sure some of those 15 million wouldn't mind an exhibit on DL's 60 years. Or TWDC would have never bothered with all the other past anniversary tributes such as 50th, 40th, etc.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Could this have been something that was discussed internally within DIsney so that it gives WDI a background story for using Hollywoodland in DCA for a Marvel tie in?<< Idono, that seems like a bit of a stretch. I really don't know anything about the Avengers backstories, but it was my understanding that Carter's story (leading to the creation of SHIELD) was relatively well defined before the series began. It also seems like it would be difficult to say that all of the Marvel characters belong in that land because one tangentially-related story took place there More likely, they'll just claim that it fits because it's a movie. It's the same logic they've used for Muppets, Monsters, and the Alice parties that the locals seem to love so much >>It may make it less likely, but it certainly doesn't eliminate the possibility.<< I read a quote from Becky Cline, the head archivist, that essentially indicated that the D23 exhibit was the only DL-related exhibit they were working on at the moment. Given that the vast majority of items of interest (or knowledge of them) for an exhibit would come from the archives, I think it's safe to say that it's not currently part of the plans She did seem to hint that there might be a future for the D23 exhibit in some form after the expo closes, but that's still a ways off
Originally Posted By oc_dean Anyway .... I am getting skeptical about a 60th exhibit. The kick off for the 60th is here, practically. Why would they just be starting now, with Innoventions? Unless it's going to be one of the fastest installs ever done. And by done, at least by July 17th.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Plus ... it's only a redundancy to the few who will end up attending D23 and visit DL as well.<< I suspect that most D23-goers will also visit DL, though perhaps not the other way around. Additionally, I think that the D23 audience comprises a large portion of the park guests who would find something like that interesting. DLR's strong AP base gives them a lot of interesting opportunities for niche audiences. Unfortunately for them, D23's close proximity also means that a large part of the niche audience will have already seen it As much as we like to think that we're really important, I suspect the Disney nerd community is a lot smaller than we think. Sure there are probably some average park guests who would enjoy it (I like visiting museums when I travel), but I don't think it would be a big draw for them. The long-running 50th exhibit never seemed to have any noteworthy crowds
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Unless it's going to be one of the fastest installs ever done.<< Given that they just pushed back the Peter Pan opening date (into the middle of peak-summer crowds) on a fairly short refurbishment, I think it's safe to say that it won't be one of the fastest installations Disney's ever done. They seem to have really fallen behind on a lot of the elements for the 60th; I wonder why the anniversary seemed to catch them by surprise
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt But the PP refresh isn't necessarily being billed as part of the 60th. At least not in the same way that a 60th exhibit would be. Have I told you guys how annoyed I am that I'm missing PP's reopening by 2 weeks?
Originally Posted By monorailblue On the upside, it does seem that we're not going to face a Light-Magic-like opening of the new parade--all signs point to it being ready when announced. Which is a very good thing.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt True. Whenever I think about seeing the new parade I get goosebumps.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip As someone whose regular park is WDW... please explain the concept of "New Parade". I don't seem to be familiar with it.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>True. Whenever I think about seeing the new parade I get goosebumps.<< Almost like the near-goosebumps reading about HKDL's version of Paint The Night (which I'm assuming DL's version will be near same) ... uses Baroque Hoedown with a new modern arrangement. SO GLAD! I can't picture a night time light parade without that memorable piece of music! I'm guessing Paint The Night will be DL's yearly Night-time parade for the next several years.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "As someone whose regular park is WDW... please explain the concept of "New Parade"." <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2015/04/behind-the-scenes-of-paint-the-night-parade-coming-for-the-disneyland-resort-diamond-celebration/">http://disneyparks.disney.go.c...bration/</a>
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Thank you. It is hard to even imagine a new nighttime parade at WDW. In over 20 years of visiting WDW, I don't remember ever seeing anything besides Spectro Magic and Main Street Electrical Parade. WDW is WAY past due for a new nighttime parade.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros ^^I think that's all that WDW has ever had at night. The Electrical Water Pageant still runs nightly and is campy good fun, but inside the park is just MSEP (SpectroMagic has been demolished, but some parts were saved for special events) Although not strictly a nighttime parade, I think that Tapestry of Nations (and Tapestry of Dreams) at Epcot was often performed around dusk; with the park closing at 9pm, they don't have a lot of dark hours to work with most of the year. I also know that the Mulan parade at DL often had nighttime performances, but I'm not sure if the version at the Studios ever did
Originally Posted By Disneylandfan85 >>SpectroMagic has been demolished, but some parts were saved for special events.<< What parts were saved?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Unlike the MK the Electrical Parade is the only nighttime parade the DLR has ever had, and it ran off and on for almost 40 years. DLR is waaaay overdue for something like this.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Wow! The same parade for 40 years? I had no idea. I haven't bothered with the parade at WDW for years. It is a nice parade and all, but I'm not a big enough fan of parades in general to watch the same thing time after time after time. Besides, it is a great time to visit attractions... the lines are shorter.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Wow! The same parade for 40 years? I had no idea" That's why I'm about to jump out of my skin with excitement!
Originally Posted By FerretAfros The original version of MSEP was in the early/mid 70's, and was just 2D panels with shapes made out of lights (like WDW's Electrical Water Pageant). The units didn't have motors and were pulled along the parade route by CMs. After a 2-year hiatus for America on Parade for the bicentennial, the parade returned with the 3D floats we have today There were plenty of changes to the lineup through the years (additions for current movies, removals of older units) but in general it remained quite similar from that point on. It "glowed away forever" from DL in 1996, only to hastily return to DCA in 2001 to help draw people to the struggling park during its first summer season; the parade was finally retired from DCA in 2010 with the addition of World of Color (which happens to be right next to the Performance Corridor, making another nighttime parade in DCA virtually impossible) In reality, there just haven't been that many nighttime parades in any of Disney's parks. In addition to MSEP and Spectro, TDL also had Fantillusion which was sort of a parade version of Fantamsic! and was eventually moved to DLP, and Dreamlights (the current one) that's like a supped up version of MSEP. It generally seems like the nighttime parades have a longer shelf life than their daytime counterparts, and are much more likely to be moved to a different resort rather than being permanently retired >>What parts were saved?<< The alligator holding the hippo from the Fantasia unit was out on the course during last year's Wine & Dine Half Marathon. It was raining quite heavily, so a lot of the on-course entertainment was cancelled or moved, but it seemed like they may have intended to have other props in other places that had to be moved because of the weather
