Originally Posted By FerretAfros >> I wonder if more or less people pass through Innoventions on average than America Sings.<< That's definitely an interesting question, eapically in AS's later years. I would imagine AS got more guests (it's hard to imagine it getting fewer!), but it was before my time so I have no idea However, I bet that Innoventions is far more expensive to operate per guests. It requires a lot more manpower to staff all the interactive exhibits, and those CMs get a higher rate than standard attractions operators. I'd bet that AS only needed a couple CMs on duty to run (plus AA maintenance) and could absorb far more guests with fewer workers
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "That's definitely an interesting question, eapically in AS's later years. I would imagine AS got more guests (it's hard to imagine it getting fewer!), but it was before my time so I have no idea" I only visited DL during summer vacation as a kid when the park was busy, so I have no context for what off season traffic for AS looked like. Given that DL's annual attendance has almost doubled since the late 70s I'm inclined to think that more people visit Innoventions, but who knows.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Back when there was such a thing called an "Off Season" in the park ... Rather than have all 6 auditoriums running, they'd run 3. Evenly between 3 that remained empty. I'd notice .. when the theater was in motion, there'd be a point you can see into the next one, and I'd notice it would be empty. Which meant they alternated one to be used .. with the one next door kept shut. And my auditorium would be 1/2 to 3/4s filled. The theater held 240. So, that would be 120 to 180 people cycling through every 8 minutes. Did Innovention's manage 120-180 people for every 8 minutes, even with 21st Century crowds? HMMM! Not so sure of that!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I went to Innoventions at DL once and was never impressed enough to return. Innoventions at Epcot is really a mixed bag. So much in there relies on corporate sponsors... some do a very good job, some not so much. I'll usually check it out every couple of years and maybe spend 30-45 minutes there each time I do. Best Epcot Innoventions exhibit ever was Segway. It started with an introductory film about the Segway HT, followed by a brief lesson on how to ride one. Then you strapped on your helmet and were give a closely supervised chance to actually ride one. It was terrific, but didn't last long. I suppose Disney was probably concerned about liability issues.
Originally Posted By doombuggy GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!!!!!!!!! worthless revolving Best buy/Apple/Microsoft store. The only thing ever good about it was Tom.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Did Innovention's manage 120-180 people for every 8 minutes, even with 21st Century crowds? HMMM! Not so sure of that!<< It seems unlikely that Innoventions ever got that sort of crowd, since its design requires lots of space for people to move around inside and explore the exhibits. Additionally, I think that most people spend about 30 minutes in there, which means that they would have 480-530 guests in there at any given time; I'm just not sure that the building is even big enough for that. For a theater show, it's easy to keep guests contained in a small space for their seats, but they need a lot more room (even with the 2nd floor in use) when they're moving around Interestingly, I remember waiting for DL's Innoventions shortly after it opened. We probably had to wait about 15 minutes to get in, which was multiple mini-theaters-worth of guests >>Best Epcot Innoventions exhibit ever was Segway.<< They also had it for a while in DL, and it was a lot of fun. The queue moved incredibly slowly (I think it took us about 45 minutes with about 10 guests ahead of us), but was a really fun unique experience. They definitely had a long liability waiver to sign, but it provided something that I've never seen elsewhere in the park (and for 'free'!)
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!!!!!!!!! worthless revolving Best buy/Apple/Microsoft store. The only thing ever good about it was Tom.<< I did like the ASIMO show upstairs, though the last time I saw it was in 2008. I have no idea if it's still around.
Originally Posted By Moon Waffle Disney seems to be holding off on any announcements for TL, yet they keep closing attractions. I wonder if this has anything to do with the upcoming TL movie? With Starcade, The 3D theater, and now Innoventions, all just sitting there with nothing new announced...well....just makes me think they are playing it safe for the time being. Maybe the specifics are based on how well the TL movie does: if it is a hit, the land gets some tie-ins to that film. If it is a dud, the whole thing goes Star Wars?
Originally Posted By oc_dean The Innoventions building is only closing for a few weeks to install the 60th Anniversary exhibit. It's not completely being shuttered. As for waiting to see how a movie does.... You know what? Playing this sort of game is a waste of time. I'm surprised they play it. Disney has been doing this starting with: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://longgonebutnotforgotten.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/island2.jpg">http://longgonebutnotforgotten...and2.jpg</a> To: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d6/79/84/d67984d5c2ea49c52a9997ef0a3bce13.jpg just for starters. Then you get in recent times - Oz, the Great and Powerful, and Lone Ranger ... and a bunch of other stuff in between these two time periods. ORRR ..... you can create an awesome high quality attraction like this: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/14000000/Matterhorn-disneyland-resort-14065660-300-375.jpg">http://images2.fanpop.com/imag...-375.jpg</a> or this.... <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://thewdwblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/disneylandpirates.jpg">http://thewdwblog.files.wordpr...ates.jpg</a> that's done QUITE well without the help of any IP from one generation to the next. My point .... Just build a high quality attraction, the people will come anyway, that has no movie tie in at all. This IP thing ... it's become such a massive obsession in this era - It doesn't take much brains to figure out: It doesn't take a great IP to create great attractions. It is possible without them. DL's list of original classics that run to this day without an IP are all the proof you need to prove that point.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Disney seems to be holding off on any announcements for TL, yet they keep closing attractions.<< They've taken a similar approach with the Studios park in WDW. There's hardly enough to occupy a few hours there now, yet they haven't announced anything nor even begun any major construction. At least TL has the rest of DL to give it life support; the park in WDW is pretty desolate these days >>It doesn't take a great IP to create great attractions. It is possible without them.<< Unfortunately Iger is the one who ultimately calls the shots, and he doesn't agree with this philosophy. Whether because he thinks the IP will help the parks or because he thinks the parks will give the IP staying power, this seems to be his preferred approach by a longshot. The sooner he's gone, the better (though I'm unsure if his likeminded replacement would be much better)
Originally Posted By perlster Put this in your rumor mill and grind it" "Closed for refurbishment Mar 31, 2015 to Sept 30, 2016"
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Is that for Innoventions? If so, maybe the 60th exhibit isn't considered "really" Innoventions, so that's the so-called closure?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros For what it's worth, I believe that the Blue Sky Cellar is also currently "closed for refurbishment", yet nobody thinks it will be reopening any time soon
Originally Posted By FerretAfros For what it's worth, I believe that the Blue Sky Cellar is also currently "closed for refurbishment", yet nobody thinks it will be reopening any time soon
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance We don't even know if the 60th exhibit is really happening. So maybe it is really closing. If it was only closed for the 60th exhibit, why kick out the Marvel men on the top floor?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>If it was only closed for the 60th exhibit, why kick out the Marvel men on the top floor?<< That's a good question, since the exhibit would have to be HUGE to take up the entire building. Perhaps they don't think that they fit in with DL's history (I agree, though I don't think it's a deal breaker), and want to keep them out because of that. Or maybe they'll return once the exhibit opens. Has a temporary location been announced for them during construction?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "That's a good question, since the exhibit would have to be HUGE to take up the entire building." Another question is why open a 60th birthday exhibit after the 60th has passed?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It's possible the closure till 2016 is for Innoventions as we know it, but the 60th exhibit will open this year and they'll CALL the building something else during that time period. Kind of like they did for the 50th exhibit - it didn't say "Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln" anywhere IIRC; not on the building, nor the guidebooks, etc. It was called the 50th anniversary whatever (can't remember now). So Innoventions would effectively be closed, even if the building were being used.
