Originally Posted By dshyates Oh, you know the coverage is going to be first and formost, who will the VPs be. Then on to the number crunching based on Newsweek/Pew/ "Our own" Polls. The only actual soundbites we will get are going to be the "one-liner" poke each other with a stick bites. Anything of substance will be glossed over to talk about the zingers. Then go on to continueing ignoring the substance, while claiming there is no substance. Then the viewers will go out and parrot the lack of substance about the other guy while not knowing anything about the guy they support except spoon fed soundbites selected by their favorite ideology driven "news" outlet. Its election season in America. Where EVERY idiot will tell you how informed they are, and then proceed to spew absolute crap. And by evey idiot I mean both sides of the fence. And I think that the members here tend to pretty well informed even if some are obvious spoon fed some of the stuff posted here. Myself included. But I think it is important to try and resist buying what you want to agree with. The stuff you agree with needs to be overly scrutinized because of your desire to believe it.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You hope.> No, I don't. Despite the attempts of liberal posters here to demonize me, I want what's best for this country. I just don't think Senator Obama's plans for more taxes, more regulations, and a weak foreign policy will be what's best for this country.
Originally Posted By DAR Well I'm voting for Obama because it's the cool thing to do. And I always liked to do the cool thing. Plus voting for McCain would mean I'm an idiot and I certainly don't want that.
Originally Posted By dshyates DAR, I hope it was me who helped you see the light. Cool is...well...Cool. 'nough said.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Don't ya wish your candidate was hot like ours" Sung to the tune of....
Originally Posted By DAR <<DAR, I hope it was me who helped you see the light. Cool is...well...Cool. 'nough said.>> Not really, I'm choosing not to focus on the issues this election. I'm just voting to vote. Might as well back the winning pony.
Originally Posted By dshyates WaHooooo, We're #1. We're #1. We're #1. WaHooo!!!!!. (Dancing really cool, like Steve Carell)
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <No, I don't. Despite the attempts of liberal posters here to demonize me, I want what's best for this country.> Well, I'm glad to hear it. But both Kar2oonman and inlandemporer are moderates (I think both have said they voted for Bush in 2000), and neither is demonizing, just predicting how they think you're likely to behave based on your past actions and attitudes. If Obama is elected, we'll see if you are indeed on his case from day one as IE predicted, or if you give him a fair chance. <I just don't think Senator Obama's plans for more taxes, more regulations, and a weak foreign policy will be what's best for this country.> Oh yeah, Obama "plans" a weak foreign policy. It is, of course, Bush's ill-advised invasion of Iraq that improved Iran's position in the region to begin with - Iran has been the biggest beneficiary of our invasion. And after Bush and McCain mocked the very idea of direct talks with Ahmadinejad, this week Maliki announced he would be having direct talks with... Ahmadinejad (and Khamenei, the real seat of power). So is Maliki an appeaser? A stooge? I guess at least he's "our" appeaser and stooge - for the time being.
Originally Posted By X-san ***I'm just voting to vote. Might as well back the winning pony.*** Probably for the best. You couldn't wrap your head around "the issues" even if you had a team of full time tutors dedicated to trying to penetrate your thick skull in any case. Just go with the crowd, DAR. Or better yet, please don't vote at all. People like you shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway. Some sort of "minimum comprehension" rule would be well advised.
Originally Posted By DAR And the fact that you have to rely on personal attacks shows your true lack of character which is none.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I think both have said they voted for Bush in 2000<< I did, to my shame (though McCain was my preference). Dubh doesn't hold this administration accountable for much, but I do. I think the party that screws things up this badly (and the GOP has only themselves to blame -- they held the reigns until losing the house and senate in 2006) deserves to be tossed out. That's how politicians -- the ONLY way -- actually learn. So, having happily voted republican many times, I will not do so this time. I don't give a flying fig if that makes me a "liberal" or whatever. They blew it. The only way to spank George Bush and his administration is to deliver a humiliating defeat in the fall: Then his miserable legacy will include losing not only the house and senate, but the white house, too. (That said, if McCain does win, he'll be a far better president than George Bush. Faint praise, I know. I don't think he'll be anxious to have approval ratings in the cellar with this president, so I'd expect him fairly early on to adopt some policy changes that will separate him from this administration's mess.)
Originally Posted By dshyates I'm not out to punish the GOP. They will get what they deserve. Thats simply the nature of things. But I do think it is important, very important that the power is wrestled from their grip before they truly ruin this country. That is why I am supporting Obama. If Hillary were the nominee I would be supporting her. I perfer Obama though. Has anyone heard the rumor Obama is trying to convince Colin Powell to be his running mate? That would be very cool. He could kiss WV goodbye, not that that would matter.
Originally Posted By DAR And another thing X what is up with the personal attacks against me. I am merely stating an opinion if you don't like it that is fine. I've maybe said one thing in the past to you that could be construed as a personal attack. But what you have been doing is totally uncalled for. And quite frankly I don't want any apology from you because you wouldn't mean it.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I agree - Mr. X, #169 was really uncalled for, and was a direct attack on DAR as a person, not on his arguments.
Originally Posted By X-san ***And quite frankly I don't want any apology from you because you wouldn't mean it.*** Gee Dar, I'm really sorry.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <But both Kar2oonman and inlandemporer are moderates (I think both have said they voted for Bush in 2000), and neither is demonizing, just predicting how they think you're likely to behave based on your past actions and attitudes.> They are both proclaimed moderates, but they are still demonizing. <Bush's ill-advised invasion of Iraq that improved Iran's position in the region to begin with - Iran has been the biggest beneficiary of our invasion.> This is your opinion, not a fact. It's one that I and others disagree with.
Originally Posted By X-san ***It's one that I and others disagree with.*** Day by day, you're losing your support base though. Someday even you *might* admit that the Iraq invasion was illegal and ill-advised. I doubt it, though. You are way too dogmatic to actually admit ANYTHING that you think might be wrong.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Dubh doesn't hold this administration accountable for much, but I do.> As I've stated in the past, just because I defend the Bush administration here from unreasonable criticism, doesn't mean I don't think they've made mistakes. <I think the party that screws things up this badly (and the GOP has only themselves to blame -- they held the reigns until losing the house and senate in 2006) deserves to be tossed out.> And just what has the Democrat party done to deserve to be ushered in? They haven't enacted any of the reforms they promised two years ago - they're at least as corrupt as the Republicans were, if not more so. Sen Reid and Speaker Pelosi haven't shown any competence whatsoever, but you think they deserve more power? I just don't follow that kind of thinking.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Day by day, you're losing your support base though. Someday even you *might* admit that the Iraq invasion was illegal and ill-advised. I doubt it, though. You are way too dogmatic to actually admit ANYTHING that you think might be wrong.> If I am ever shown to be wrong, then I'll admit it. But it will have to be because of facts, not just because their are opinions outshouting mine.
