Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Sure. But Mr Franken preferred to try to steal the election.> You have any proof of that, bucko? Coleman's been throwing everything at the wall and hoping something will stick but the courts don't seem to be buying it.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Of course, unlike Sen Gore, Sen Coleman won the count, and the recount.> In what alternate universe did he win the recount?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 And by some measures done after the fact, Gore won Florida as well (by others, Bush won).
Originally Posted By piperlynne The recount was mandated by law. And I was under the impression Franken won the recount. Was I mistaken? Wasn't that what started this debacle in the first place?
Originally Posted By gadzuux Let's be real here - Gore got more votes overall than Bush. That's just not the case with Coleman v. Franken.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Anyone with any integrity would not put the people of MN through this>> I don't associate Al Franken with integrity. Actually I don't associate Al Franken with funny either.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I was under the impression Franken won the recount.> Only because he sued while it was ongoing to have previously rejected ballots included. If he had just allowed the recount to proceed without trying to change the rules, he would not now be in the lead. That's the essence of Sen Coleman's case - that the courts kept changing the rules midstream, just like the Florida courts did, and so every ballot was not evaluated the same.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Yes, just as soon as we finish debating the Lindbergh kidnapping case.
Originally Posted By DAR Well I haven't finished my thesis on why the horseless carriage will be a failure.
Originally Posted By alexbook And now, here's a golden oldie: >>Joining Race, Specter Attacks the Right By RICHARD L. BERKE Published: Friday, March 31, 1995 Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania announced his candidacy for the Republican Presidential nomination today and, saving his severest criticism for the right wing of his own party, said the nominee should not be "captive to the demands of the intolerant right."<< >>Mr. Specter, 65, said he had been drawn into the race because no one else in his party was speaking out in favor of abortion rights or challenging the party's increasingly influential religious conservatives.<< >>Indeed, few Republicans expect Mr. Specter's oratory to play well among the conservative-leaning voters who dominate the electorate in the party's primaries. There was a small demonstration of that prospect today from Pennsylvania's other Senator, Rick Santorum, a freshman Republican who is far more conservative than Mr. Specter. Mr. Santorum sat on the stage from which the new candidate spoke but rolled his eyes more than once and limited his applause.<< <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1995/03/31/us/joining-race-specter-attacks-the-right.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/1995/03...ght.html</a> Almost makes you wonder what took him so long to leave.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Only because he sued while it was ongoing to have previously rejected ballots included.> The courts agreed that those ballots shouldn't have been rejected in the first place. So that's not "changing the rules in the middle," let alone "stealing" as you blithely claimed before. From Franken's perspective, it's righting a wrong that shouldn't have happened. You may not agree with that, but the MN courts have, and it's not "stealing."
Originally Posted By DAR <<Only because he sued while it was ongoing to have previously rejected ballots included.> The courts agreed that those ballots shouldn't have been rejected in the first place. So that's not "changing the rules in the middle," let alone "stealing" as you blithely claimed before. From Franken's perspective, it's righting a wrong that shouldn't have happened. You may not agree with that, but the MN courts have, and it's not "stealing.">> 34 <<I disagree.>> Go to 5:46 in the link <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkbJ6fPCKOE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...J6fPCKOE</a>
Originally Posted By Mr X 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16.... SIXTY!! Oh, what a magical number. (I wonder if those two Maineiacs'll make the switch too..that'd be sweet)
Originally Posted By tiggertoo <<Oh, what a magical number.>> I'm not so sure. He might technically be switching parties, but will he caucus with the Democrats, and how prone is he to vote for Democratic bills? See Zell Miller.
Originally Posted By Mr X Thought this was interesting... "The Specter defection is too severe a catastrophe to qualify as a "wake-up call." His defection is the thing we needed the wake-up call to warn us against! For a long time, the loudest and most powerful voices in the conservative world have told us that people like Specter aren't real Republicans -- that they don't belong in the party. Now he's gone, and with him the last Republican leverage within any of the elected branches of government. For years, many in the conservative world have wished for an ideologically purer GOP. Their wish has been granted. Happy?" David Frum, Republican strategist <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/28/limbaugh-to-specter-take_n_192382.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...382.html</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc Frum's just a RINO. Specter's just a statist that's part of the socialist agenda.
