Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Gee, SPP, are you having problems with my Catholic beliefs, the SAME beliefs as the Democratic VP candidate Senator Biden has????> Not quite. Again, Biden has made it clear that he would not force his personal beliefs on the rest of us.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "There is a BIG difference between a LEGAL, Mature adult (aka wife) as compared to a child, who is the legal responsibility of the parents. Now, if you asked about my college aged daughter, I would recommend her carrying the child to term, but it would be HER decision at the end." Siggghhh. Let's try direct answers to direct questions. In Darkbeer's world, would an 11 year old be forced to carry the child to term? Would an 18 year old? Would a 30 year old? These are really yes or no questions.
Originally Posted By mele If it were my daughter (and not in her early teens) I'd let her decide but let her know I'd support her no matter what her choice was. If she feels that her parents will be disappointed in what she decides, she won't truly be choosing what she wants but what she thinks she has to do. Losing the love of your parents during such a horrible time is enough to make you do whatever you think you need to do to make them happy. For the record, my dad said "see ya, have a nice life"...which was far more painful than the rape.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Gee, SPP, are you having problems with my Catholic beliefs, the SAME beliefs as the Democratic VP candidate Senator Biden has????" Here's where you're really off base. I could give a crap what Biden's beliefs are as long as he doesn't force them on the rest of us. Same goes for Palin, except she's intent on all of us getting religion. The hell with her.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer >>So for your college aged daughter you would let her make the choice, but for your 11 year old you would force her to carry the child of incest to term.<< Yes, and it has been the law of the land for a LONG time. My MINOR child is my responsibilty, and whatever actions they take are MY responsibility. Once they turn legal age (in most cases 18), then the legal responsibilty is switched to the individiual (child), not the parents.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer And who said I would force my PERSONAL (and why I have clearly said Personal) beliefs on others... I HATE when SPP and others place words in my mouth, and why I tend to avoid making personal comments in WE.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "And who said I would force my PERSONAL (and why I have clearly said Personal) beliefs on others... I HATE when SPP and others place words in my mouth, and why I tend to avoid making personal comments in WE." That's true. You'd have to open your mouth here. Today's the most you've ever said. However, you clearly stated in post 25 you'd force an 11 year old to carry the child to term. That's disgusting. Do you have any idea at all what that does to someone?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <And who said I would force my PERSONAL (and why I have clearly said Personal) beliefs on others...> Actually, no one said you would (except perhaps in the case of your 11 year old daughter). What I said, for instance, was that Biden would not, but Palin would.
Originally Posted By dshyates "For the record, my dad said "see ya, have a nice life"...which was far more painful than the rape." Hugs to you from a different dad. "And who said I would force my PERSONAL (and why I have clearly said Personal) beliefs on others..." You didn't, but I assume you are going to vote for a ticket that would have no problem forcing THEIR personal will on everyone.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Only SCOTUS can overturn that(Wade)/// Well a lower national court could do some damage too---especially when the Supremes let its opinion/decision stand. ///and who appoints Justices to SCOTUS? That's right, the President./// but don't forget about senatorial ratification.....those power cats have the final say don't they.(I know that you know all this dabob but if was for those out there that don't understand basic US civics/poli-sci).
Originally Posted By DyGDisney If you forced your 11 year old to carry to term a baby made from incest, then you are forcing your personal opinions on someone. I think this would screw a little girl up for life. I would not even want my daughter to consider the fact that she could be pregnant, that's why I'd ensure she had the morning after pill. Again, it would be on me, not her. And yes, I would be forcing my belief on my 11 year old. For the reason that I don't think she'd be able to make a decision to carry a baby at that age and realize what that would mean for her emotionally.
Originally Posted By dshyates Well, I have 2 daughters (12, 8). If my 12 year old were raped she would be given the morning after pill. If it were to late for that, like if she didn't tell anyone for 2 months she was raped, then abortion. If she were 16/17, we would talk over the options.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney I think selective abortion is horrible, and abortion should not be used as birth control. But I personally would have a baby who I knew had down's syndrome, or any other problem. Darkbeer, what if your daughter were an early bloomer, and was raped by an uncle or brother and became pregnant at 9 years old. Would you still force her to go through with the pregnancy?
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains I am not sure who does or doesn't have daughters here - BUT.... I do have a young daughter - if she was raped by anyone I would not let nature take it's course! Then try and pass it off as mine then tell it how it came about - I think that would be just as cruel as forcing my daughter the mental anguish of going through a pregnancy that came from a cruel violent act!
Originally Posted By jdub >>Now, if you asked about my college aged daughter, I would recommend her carrying the child to term, but it would be HER decision at the end.<< That is true by legal definition. It's not HER decision because you allow it to be so; it's HER decision because, as a "college aged" person, she's an ADULT.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer >>Darkbeer, what if your daughter were an early bloomer, and was raped by an uncle or brother and became pregnant at 9 years old. Would you still force her to go through with the pregnancy?<< It would be tough, but yes, Life begins at Conception, just like Senator Biden beleives, so yes, I would let Nature take its course, if she was physically able to carry the child to term, yes, and of course, take over as the "parent". Hck, how many children have had kids over the centuries???? And yes, I would report my Uncle or Brother to the legal authorities and have them prosicuted to the fullest extenet of the law. Would you kill a child just because it was not the right size, or had the right hair color???? A kid is a KID, and should be allowed to LIVE no matter what caused the creation of the child!
Originally Posted By jdub >>And who said I would force my PERSONAL (and why I have clearly said Personal) beliefs on others..>> Who said? YOU said. Post 25.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains #36 - Let's put it another way DB... would you sacrifice the well being (mentally not just physically) of your child for the sake of letting nature take it's course? I would say a young girl is not prepared mentally to have a child in most cases let alone having one because of a violent act. What do you do when the violater is out and wants to see the child he created... Just because you want to raise it doesn't mean their parental rights are void!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I hope I'm around when child abuse charges are brought against a "parent" who forces their minor child to go through a pregnancy.
Originally Posted By jdub >>I think selective abortion is horrible, and abortion should not be used as birth control.<< I agree... >>I hope I'm around when child abuse charges are brought against a "parent" who forces their minor child to go through a pregnancy.<< ...And I agree that this IS abusive, a daily harrowing experience in & of itself (well, precisely because it is NOT "in & of itself"--it's a daily, perpetual connection to childhood sexual assault).
