Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <That is nonsense that does not come out of the report.> Please show me where in the report it says that the Antartica has never gotten hot enough before to "melt stuff" or where it says its happened more than once in the last 8 years. <Why can't you just discuss this stuff honestly? Because it would require you to start backpeddling? You can't admit being in error?> I am discussing it honestly, and I've admitted when I've been in error. I'm not this time. <The reality is that you are actually causing people to point stuff out here that science is providing, and you with your tactics look ever more slippery and untruthful.> I don't think so, altough I'm sure there are some who will agree with you. I think the reasonable person reading these exchanges will view your arguments as sloppy and your tactics as bullying.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I think it's making some people who are sitting on the fence realize where the actual truth lies, and it is with those of us who are actually bothering to quote real data as opposed to just saying "No it's not."> You know, the problem comes not when you quote real data, but when you make sweeping generalizations, or mischaracterizes what the real data means.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Please show me where in the report it says that the Antartica has never gotten hot enough before" Since no one has claimed that, there is little reason for me to find that. It did say this has not happened recently. "I am discussing it honestly" You do realize that no one here believes that at this point, don't you? "I think the reasonable person reading these exchanges will view your arguments as sloppy and your tactics as bullying." I'm quoting the articles and providing links. You simply make assertions with no back up. So, basically, you have nothing, yet again. "but when you make sweeping generalizations, or mischaracterizes what the real data means." I quote the actual information. And everyone seems to mischaracterize the data but you, it seems. It's a shame you can't take an honest approach.
Originally Posted By jonvn Here is the exact quote: "Antarctica has shown little to no warming in the recent past with the exception of the Antarctic Peninsula," said Konrad Steffen of the University of Colorado, Boulder. "But now large regions are showing the first signs of the impacts of warming as interpreted by this satellite analysis."
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Since no one has claimed that, there is little reason for me to find that.> You claimed it. You said, "So what it's saying is that it got hot enough to melt stuff, whereas it had not been hot enough before." <You do realize that no one here believes that at this point, don't you?> I realize that you do not speak for everyone, and what you believe is often incorrect. <It's a shame you can't take an honest approach.> It's not me that is not taking an honest approach.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I realize that you do not speak for everyone" You should also realize that if there is anyone left here who thinks you have anything worth saying, they're awfully quiet. "You said, "So what it's saying is that it got hot enough to melt stuff, whereas it had not been hot enough before."" Now we turn to semantic games. Dishonesty is the hallmark of the neocon mindset, it seems.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Dishonesty is the hallmark of the neocon mindset, it seems< and there's a Hall of Fame for honest Democrats or liberals or independents somewhere ? In the political world this would be one small building - or shed
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You should also realize that if there is anyone left here who thinks you have anything worth saying, they're awfully quiet.> I don't need constant reaffirmation. I'm confident in my beliefs, because they're based on facts and logic. <Now we turn to semantic games.> I didn't realized quoting you is a semantic game. <Dishonesty is the hallmark of the neocon mindset, it seems.> How is quoting you dishonest? I think the dishonest one is the one who says something, and then later claims he didn't.
Originally Posted By jonvn "and there's a Hall of Fame for honest Democrats or liberals or independents somewhere" I don't know. I'm neither a liberal or a democrat. I suspect not. But when you are trying to discuss a subject and an individual does his best to derail the topic, and turn the subject around to posters, when they plainly have lost yet another argument, then that is not being honest. And considering I've seen some flat out lies about me in particular, well, it's just rather telling that if you can not support your viewpoint with reasoned facts of any kind, then your argument does not have a leg to stand on.
Originally Posted By jonvn Well, you see. I am not in one, as I am perfectly willing to admit being incorrect, changing my mind, and saying I don't know. That is not a luxury you have afforded yourself in the bunker. In any case, another argument you have lost because you refuse to put forth any sort of backing for your statements. It must be annoying to never win an argument here. Like, ever.
Originally Posted By jonvn Yes, well, now we are down to what you're really all about, schoolyard level intellectuality. Thanks for showing it so openly in that post. Still waiting for the torrent of facts...
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Yes, well, now we are down to what you're really all about, schoolyard level intellectuality.> I keep responding to you. <Still waiting for the torrent of facts...> Me too.
Originally Posted By jonvn Then stop responding. Your responses are nothing but nonsense anyway, and have nothing to do with the topic, and do not provide any information othre than your patently false assertions. So continue to lie on this topic and others, and mischaracterize whatever is said. No one is believing a word of it. As I said, if you could prove me wrong, you would, you haven't, you can't. Have a nice evening...
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Then stop responding.> Stop lying about me, and I will. I realize I bother you, but this isn't a sermon, and you're not in the pulpit. If I think you have said something that is incorrect or unsupportable, I'm going to say something about it. Whether you react to that with facts and logic or with sweeping generalizations and invective is up to you.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Stop lying about me, and I will." Ha...what a mirror.... Thanks for the laugh.
