Originally Posted By mawnck >>Oh great. Yet more fodder for those on the far right that will grasp at anything - ANYTHING - to insist Obama isn't what he says he is.<< It seems that the far both-sides are willing to grasp at anything - ANYTHING - for any reason that strikes their fancy, whether it's to smear the other side, get their happy jollies for the day, or just because it's more interesting than whatever Britney did last night. Mawnck's new least-favorite argument: "Your blog guys are HYPOCRITES." "No, YOURS are." You're both right. So shaddup. Save it for Rush and Keith.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Funny you should mention that. Sarah Palin believes that the iraq war is a "mission from god". There's no talking to someone with this viewpoint.> Check your facts. She asked people to pray that it would be God's will. She didn't state that she thought it was. Big difference.
Originally Posted By Mr X <a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i2ypVSYoEKA&feature=related" target="_blank">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=...=related</a> Good point, Josh. I really hate this selection for VP, it scares me, BUT I also hate the misrepresentations and slander from both sides. Josh is correct, she did say "pray THAT our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from god".
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>BTW, I had such a strong feeling of déjà vu reading that--did you make that same strong point here months ago, K2?<< Probably. I tend to repeat myself. ; )
Originally Posted By chickendumpling I'm still trying to understand what Darkbeer is trying to say in post #1 and post #20. (I'm not trying to be mean or facetious about that either. With all due respect, Darkbeer, I don't understand what you're trying to communicate there.) In the meantime, here is the interview, judge for yourselves: ABC News: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5dfbab" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/5dfbab</a> IMHO, what is being portrayed/perceived in this thread as Obama's "misstatement" or "misspeak" is very simply neither. Listen to the interview. It seems plain to me that *George Stephanopoulus* wasn't paying attention and misunderstood what Obama was saying and interrupted him (Obama) to "correct" him when no correction was necessary. This would have been made abundantly clear had he (Obama) used air quotes around the phrase "my Muslim faith" because it seems obvious to me that that's how he meant it! LOL. The only thing this whole "my muslim faith" "issue" (*cringe* because this is sooooo not an issue) shows is that George Stephanopoulos doesn't pay attention to the answers people give him when he asks questions or wasn't processing things quickly enough to keep up on that day on that point.
Originally Posted By JeffG That is the same point I was making in my post. I wasn't suggesting that Darkbeer was doubting Obama's claim of Christianity (although I have already seen posts by others elsewhere that made a point of calling this a "Freudian slip"), but I don't think it was a misstatement at all. I think he said exactly what he meant, but just should have probably been a bit more cautious with his wording. I'm unsure of the motivation of Stephanopoulous' interruption, but I think it could have actually been a quick realization of a soundbite that could be misused out of context and an effort to quickly get a clarification on the record. -Jeff
Originally Posted By chickendumpling And I agreed with your post #19 too. (Except for the part where you described it as a "pretty minor" misstatement but I see now that you've clarified that and said you don't think it was a misstatement at all and so, yeah, totally agree with ya on that.) I guess Stephanopoulos could have been trying to quickly clear things up. Not sure how well he did on that though given this thread and some other things I've seen on-line about this. lol. Bottom line? This is not a "real" issue and I still don't understand what Darkbeer is trying to say in posts #1 and 20.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains The actual issues with this and others like it is to distract us from the real issues with all this made up controversy. I am guilty of being distracted by all of this trash floating around the internet... As long as we are all talking about this we aren't really looking at what's important! There are more issues - but these are my top three - in no particular order! To me what is important is maintaining rights of all citizens (including right to choose to have a child or not) - How we can keep our country safe without having our children dying in another country. How to get our economy where it should be -
Originally Posted By chickendumpling I agree with that too, villains. Maybe you should start some threads...
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains I for one am withdrawing from all this distracting gossip and starting into my own research... Although I am fairly certain who I want to vote for, I want to know my decision is based not just on my gut feelings, or my spiritual beliefs, but more based on what these people really stand for and how they PLAN to correct our Country's deficent...economically and socially.
Originally Posted By chickendumpling Good luck with that. It is sadly harder than it should be to find out what some *really* stand for, imho. FactCheck.org is kinda helpful as a starting point, imho. I hope you post what you find. I'd love to see more issue-specific threads. Which reminds me... I need to go post in that abstinence-only thread!
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> she did say "pray THAT our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from god". << So, I misquoted. I said she thinks it's a "mission from god" - turns out she thinks it's a "task that is from god". Big difference.
Originally Posted By Mr X No, you misunderstand. Perhaps it's churchspeak or something (I'm very familiar with it), but when they say "Pray that bla bla bla" it basically means "we hope this is what god wants". In that context, there's nothing wrong with the statement. She's not saying "this is a task from god", she's saying "we hope we're doing the right thing in gods eyes". There really IS a big difference.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I don't see it. This same church practices speaking in tongues and 'praying away the gay'. This may be encouraging to some people, but for my personal beliefs they lose all credibility. They've got a right to think what they want, and so do I.
Originally Posted By Mr X What's to see? You (and many others) are misquoting her. Look, I'm no fan. But in this case, she's being roasted for no reason.
Originally Posted By DAR Another gaffe from Obama <a href="http://neswsports.com/2008/09/06/barack-obama-called-penn-state-the-nittaly-lions-video/" target="_blank">http://neswsports.com/2008/09/...s-video/</a> It's the Nittany Lions ;P
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Bottom line? This is not a "real" issue and I still don't understand what Darkbeer is trying to say in posts #1 and 20." Hang around here long enough and you wouldn't have to ask. Darkbeer never posts anything here that paints Republicans in a bad light, and is constantly posting things that look bad for Democrats. Here, he's suggesting Obama really didn't "misspeak", and that Obama IS a Muslim, which, of course, on its face, is absolutely horrible according to Darkbeer. Darkbeer pulls this stuff all.the.time.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>So, I misquoted. I said she thinks it's a "mission from god" - turns out she thinks it's a "task that is from god". Big difference. << Mr. X is right, Gadzuux ... Be careful that you don't turn into a dittohead for the other side. >>Here, he's suggesting Obama really didn't "misspeak", and that Obama IS a Muslim, which, of course, on its face, is absolutely horrible according to Darkbeer.<< You too, SPP. What's the name of this topic?
Originally Posted By Elderp "Probably. I tend to repeat myself. ; )" So do politicians, new career path?
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<>>Here, he's suggesting Obama really didn't "misspeak", and that Obama IS a Muslim, which, of course, on its face, is absolutely horrible according to Darkbeer.<< You too, SPP. What's the name of this topic?>> No, mawnck. SPP is right.
