Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "<<>>Here, he's suggesting Obama really didn't "misspeak", and that Obama IS a Muslim, which, of course, on its face, is absolutely horrible according to Darkbeer.<< You too, SPP. What's the name of this topic?>> No, mawnck. SPP is right" Thank you. Hang around here as long as some of us have and there wouldn't be any doubt.
Originally Posted By chickendumpling <<Here, he's suggesting Obama really didn't "misspeak", and that Obama IS a Muslim>> That's how I read it too but, given the thread title and Darkbeer's post #20, I figured I was somehow misreading him or missing his point and wanted to give him a chance to explain. I thought everyone knew the internet rumor that Obama was a Muslim was a lie. A lie just like the one Republicans spread in the 2000 primary in South Carolina about McCain having a black child. If there's anyone out that that doesn't know that it's a lie, here's the link to FactCheck on it completely debunking the whole thing: <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_obama.html" target="_blank">http://www.factcheck.org/elect...ama.html</a> If, after actually researching it objectively, a person *still* chooses to believe that Obama is a Muslim, I don't even know what to say.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan What if Obama really was a Muslim? Or Hindu? Or Jewish? Or Atheist? Does that instantly disqualify someone seeking the office of President? Is it a requirement that a candidate be Christian? If someone has some other faith, or no faith at all, is it impossible they could still have the best interests of the US in mind and act accordingly? Do the people who get worried about Obama being Muslim think that he would be instantly aligned with Islamic terrorists if he were a Muslim? Is Kareem Abdul Jabbar a terrorist sympathizer? I ask only because I thought we had freedom of religion in this country. And yet, I'm not sure which is worse -- the constant "charges" that Obama is Muslim, or the constant need to "defend" against those charges. Both say an awful lot about who we are as a people, a lot about how people view religions different than their own, and it really isn't good.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Is Kareem Abdul Jabbar a terrorist sympathizer?>> No but he's kind of a ninny.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "<<Is Kareem Abdul Jabbar a terrorist sympathizer?>> No but he's kind of a ninny." You wanna tell him? Last I checked, he's still 7"2", 260 lbs.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Here, he's suggesting Obama really didn't "misspeak", and that Obama IS a Muslim> No, what he is illustrating is that Sen Obama often misspeaks. We've heard over and over the last 8 years about how President Bush is an idiot because he misspeaks. Truth is, lots of smart people occasionally misspeak, especially when they are speaking alot.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <A lie just like the one Republicans spread in the 2000 primary in South Carolina about McCain having a black child.> Please name two Republicans who spread this lie.
Originally Posted By jdub Let's not pretend that Senator McCain wasn't maligned like crazy in the 2000 campaign.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Please name two Republicans who spread this lie." What!?! This is a very famous Rovian whisper campaign.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Let's not pretend that Senator McCain wasn't maligned like crazy in the 2000 campaign.> Exit polls showed that most South Carolinians thought the McCain campaign threw more mud than the Bush campaign did.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <This is a very famous Rovian whisper campaign.> Famous in the liberal blogosphere. There's no actual evidence Mr Rove had anything to do with it, or that it was any more than one nut sending out a few emails.
Originally Posted By dshyates Right, you keep on believing that. Except it was John McCain who accused Rove. Although I guess to you mcCain seems pretty liberal.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "No, what he is illustrating is that Sen Obama often misspeaks. We've heard over and over the last 8 years about how President Bush is an idiot because he misspeaks. Truth is, lots of smart people occasionally misspeak, especially when they are speaking alot." Bull. Total, unmitigated bull. He posted it to plant the seed that Obama's a muslim. Period.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Except it was John McCain who accused Rove.> Sen McCain never accused Karl Rove of spreading a rumour that he had fathered a black child. He was upset at Pres Bush for appearing with a veteran's advocate who claimed Sen McCain had not done enough for veterans, and Pres Bush apologized for it.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Bull. Total, unmitigated bull. He posted it to plant the seed that Obama's a muslim. Period.> You can keep claiming that all week, but you have no evidence it's true.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Sen McCain never accused Karl Rove of spreading a rumour that he had fathered a black child. He was upset at Pres Bush for appearing with a veteran's advocate who claimed Sen McCain had not done enough for veterans, and Pres Bush apologized for it." Oh? <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/03/21/the_anatomy_of_a_smear_campaign/" target="_blank">http://www.boston.com/news/pol...ampaign/</a> "Having run Senator John McCain's campaign for president, I can recount a textbook example of a smear made against McCain in South Carolina during the 2000 presidential primary. We had just swept into the state from New Hampshire, where we had racked up a shocking, 19-point win over the heavily favored George W. Bush. What followed was a primary campaign that would make history for its negativity. In South Carolina, Bush Republicans were facing an opponent who was popular for his straight talk and Vietnam war record. They knew that if McCain won in South Carolina, he would likely win the nomination. With few substantive differences between Bush and McCain, the campaign was bound to turn personal. The situation was ripe for a smear."
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "You can keep claiming that all week, but you have no evidence it's true." There's years of evidence in the archives of these boards that he routinely posts things with the sole purpose of making democrats look bad. It is absolutely undeniable. Not even he denies it. But thanks for the predictable response.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Please name two Republicans who spread this lie." Please expressly quote anyone who said "two Republicans spread this lie". The exact words.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***We also pledged to raise the level of debate by refusing to run any further negative ads -- a promise we kept, though it probably cost us the race.*** Guess McCain decided not to make THAT same mistake twice. Makes me shudder to think of what Obama will be reduced to in 8 years (or 16, once Pres Palin gets her two terms in), since slander and filth seems to be the only effective ticket to the White House these days.
