Originally Posted By Mr X ***We also pledged to raise the level of debate by refusing to run any further negative ads -- a promise we kept, though it probably cost us the race.*** Guess McCain decided not to make THAT same mistake twice. Makes me shudder to think of what Obama will be reduced to in 8 years (or 16, once Pres Palin gets her two terms in), since slander and filth seems to be the only effective ticket to the White House these days.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder If Palin actually made it to president, she'd probably try to have Obama jailed for treason.
Originally Posted By Mr X I doubt that. Generally keeping the opposition around, even as puppets, is useful in deflecting criticism. Any screw-ups or roadblocks will be immediately directed to the incompetent, "Obama-led" Legislators. On the other hand, once she outlaws all abortions..perhaps they can get to work on outlawing discussion about them as well. Part of the 'lil Patriot act, coming soon.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Please expressly quote anyone who said "two Republicans spread this lie". The exact words.> No one, of course, said, "two Republicans spread this lie." What they said was, "A lie just like the one Republicans spread in the 2000 primary in South Carolina about McCain having a black child". This implies that it was more than one Republican. If someone would like to give the names of three or four Republicans who spread this lie, that would prove the point. If however, this lie was the result of one nut, that doesn't mean that "Republicans" spread it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <Please expressly quote anyone who said "two Republicans spread this lie". The exact words.> No one, of course, said, "two Republicans spread this lie." Exactly.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Do you even understand the concept of "plural"? It means more than one.
Originally Posted By Mr X Are you suggesting that the entire comprehensive statewide hate campaign was engineered by one rogue supporter, Doug? You realize how silly that sounds, do you not?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Are you suggesting that the entire comprehensive statewide hate campaign was engineered by one rogue supporter, Doug?> No, I'm suggesting that an email sent out by one person isn't an "entire comprehensive statewide hate campaign".
Originally Posted By Mr X And I suppose one guy did all the push polling as well. Say whatever you want Doug, your man McCain says otherwise. Although, since we all know he and his associates are rank liars (proven beyond doubt on the "Republicans Disgust Me" thread, one you can't even argue)...you just might be right on this one. Who knows, really? Obviously both Bush and McCain are equally adept at gutter politics, so perhaps the whole South Carolina issue was just another gigantic McCain lie. Wouldn't surprise me, at this point.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Within the last year, right here on these boards, you asserted that the 'black baby' smear didn't actually happen, and that it was "revisionist history" and a legend that developed well after the campaign. You challenged me to find 'contemporary accounts' of the smear. I found two. You danced away from it at the time saying you didn't like the sources - and ignored the fact that they spoke of the smear and were dated during the presidential campaign of 2000. Now you're expecting people to point out specific people who were responsible for the smear. Why bother? If someone could actually do it, you'd dismiss it just like you did the last time. It's a tiresome game. You're a tool of the right wing and no actual facts on the ground are ever going to change that.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Say whatever you want Doug, your man McCain says otherwise.> Please find a quote from Sen McCain in which he claims the Bush campaign smeared him by suggesting he fathered a black child. It didn't happen.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <you asserted that the 'black baby' smear didn't actually happen, and that it was "revisionist history" and a legend that developed well after the campaign.> No, I asserted that the Bush campaign wasn't behind it. <You challenged me to find 'contemporary accounts' of the smear. I found two.> Another distortion of what happened. There is no evidence that the Bush campaign ever alleged that Sen McCain fathered a black child. <You're a tool of the right wing and no actual facts on the ground are ever going to change that.> If you actually had facts, you'd produce them. Instead you denigrate and dismiss. Typical of a tool of the left wing.
Originally Posted By dshyates "If you actually had facts, you'd produce them. " What's the point? I provided actual facts to you on another topic 5 mins ago and you still are spewing lies about it.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I provided actual facts to you on another topic 5 mins ago and you still are spewing lies about it.> I haven't lied about anything. It's not my fault if the facts don't back up your assertions.
Originally Posted By gadzuux And I provided 'contemporary accounts' of the smear to counter your assertion (at the time) that it never happened, and that democrats made it up after the fact. I proved you wrong, and you still denied it. Again - what's the point?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Repeating a distortion doesn't make it so. If your claims are valid, then you should be able to produce what I've asked for. Otherwise, you're just repeating allegations.
Originally Posted By Mr X **You're a tool** LMAO. Gadzuux, you are hilarious bro! (see what I did there, taking a PART of a comment and making it into something completely different?)
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Please find a quote from Sen McCain in which he claims the Bush campaign smeared him by suggesting he fathered a black child.*** He doesn't deny it. His quotes are "I had to get over it", "I put it behind me", and that "my discussions with the president are private". Find me a quote where he DENIES Bush was involved. Otherwise, we'll just have to go with the above (which tacitly implicates Bush all the same).
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <He doesn't deny it.> That's a little different than you claimed earlier.
Originally Posted By Mr X Correct. When I said "your man, McCain", I should've clarified that I was referring to the quotes by his former campaign manager. In any case, as I said Doug you could be right. McCain is such a rank liar, I just might believe you when you say he made the whole thing up.
