Originally Posted By wonderingalice And without further ado... As received in e-mail today and offered for your entertainment... The Gay Flight Attendant My flight was being served by an obviously gay flight attendant, who seemed to put everyone in a good mood as he served us food and drinks. As the plane prepared to descend, he came swishing down the aisle and told us that "Captain Marvey has asked me to announce that he'll be landing the big scary plane shortly, so lovely people, if you could just put your trays up, that would be super." On his trip back up the aisle, he noticed this a very well-dressed and obviously stuffy-looking foreign woman hadn't moved a muscle. "Perhaps you didn't hear me over those big brute engines but I asked you to raise your trazy-poo, so the main man can pitty-pat us on the ground." She calmly turned her head and said, "In my country, I am called a Princess and I take orders from no one." To which (I swear) the flight attendant replied without missing a beat, "Well, sweet-cheeks, in my country I'm called a Queen, so I out rank you. Tray-up, bitch!"
Originally Posted By WorldDisney It's official, just gave his press conference, he's gone!! Wow, a week ago I didn't even know who this guy was and now clamored looking at the TV. Man, America is never dull . Another bites the dust. NEXT!!
Originally Posted By gadzuux It's been a busy week for GOP "bow-outs" - rove, gonzales, craig, warner, and tony snow. I can't wait to see what's next!
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Yeah, CRAZY ain't it gadzuux? BTW, I know you're enjoying this ;D. I can't believe everytime I turn around another Bush guy is resigning (I JUST found out about Tony Snow yesterday lol. I actually liked him, he was fun ) and with yet ANOTHER Congressman gone over a sex scandal, how do the Republicans (and politicians in general) ever think they are going to get the trust of the people back? And btw, Larry Craig says he's going to fight the charges even though the idiot already already pleaded guilty and anyone who listened to that police audio knows this guy should quit while he's a head on ALL of it. **Rolls Eyes**
Originally Posted By wonderingalice ^^Great... Now he can add "perjurer" to his list of accomplishments. DOH!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder WHO is advising this guy? No one but himself, apparently. Let's see, get caught, plead guilty, hope no one ever finds out. Oh wait, I'm a United States Senator, that might not go so well. Well, still hope no one finds out. Whoops, they found out. Despite my guilty plea, say I was entrapped and I really didn't do it, although anyone with a measurable IQ wouldn't plead guilty to something lke this if they didn't do it. Oh oh, the tapes and transcript of my arrest get released and I look like a fool. Well, continue to deny it, but just like my guilty plea, resign my office, even though I didn't do it. The really, really troubling thing here is he's been in the Senate for years now and has had a hand in shaping how this country is run. As the arresting officer said at the end of the tape, and I'm paraphrasing "with judgment like this, no wonder we're in trouble."
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> WHO is advising this guy? No one but himself, apparently. << That's the stupidest part of this, I agree. His "excuse" for pleading guilty was the stress caused by an ongoing investigation by the local boise press about having him having anonymous sex with strangers in men's rooms. THAT'S your reason?? Case closed.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 My guess is that he has to SAY, for now, that he's going to fight it, to give anyone who wants to believe that he was entrapped or really isn't gay some reason to believe it. Then, knowing he'll fall out of the news (which he will), he'll just quietly let it drop. The plea will stand, the punishment will be next to nothing, and people's attention will be on to other things. The legal expert I saw on TV today said (and any lawyer worth his salt will have already told Craig this), that it's exceedingly rare for people to challenge successfully an already-entered guilty plea. He said there were basically three reasons that have any credibility: a). the arrested person didn't understand English (obviously not applicable here), b). the arrested person wasn't read his rights (which doesn't apply here) or c). the arresting officer threatened, coerced, or physically abused the arrested person - and anyone who has heard the tape knows that wasn't the case either. Other than that, there's no way he's going to rescind his guilty plea successfully. He's just saying so for public consumption, and maybe even to convince himself of something - this man seems to me still deeply, deeply in denial, not to mention the closet.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "...maybe even to convince himself of something - this man seems to me still deeply, deeply in denial, not to mention the closet." Bingo.
Originally Posted By ecdc Of course Craig, being from Idaho (where they're still excited about the phonograph) will be replaced by a Republican. But now with Warner calling it quits, a previously safe seat in Virginia is up for grabs. Looks like '08 might get even tougher for the GOP.
Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/washington/02cong.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09 /02/washington/02cong.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin</a> This is a great article that details some of the inner-workings of the Republican leadership that led to Craig's resignation.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder From the Times article: “Larry was shocked by the deafening silence by some and rush to judgment by others, even in his own leadership,†said the person, who is a confidant and adviser to Mr. Craig and asked for anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about the behind-scenes deliberations. “He had to evaluate what it would be like to go back into that environment.†The adviser said that none of the Republican senators who called for his resignation, including Senator John McCain of Arizona, sought out Mr. Craig’s version of events, and said, “If you served in Congress a long time, you’d think you’d make that call before you ask for someone’s resignation, but that didn’t happen.†What part about the fact he pled guilty to this doesn't this guy understand? A "rush to judgment"? Seeking out Craig's "version"? His "version" was that he did it, because of the plea. This guy is simply unbelievable. And now, despite his resignation, he's going to "fight like hell". Fight what? The public's impression that he cruises public bathrooms? Well, who brought that on Larry? Oh wait, you did??? He was read his rights and refused counsel. He pleads guilty and then tells no one. And now everyone is supposed to believe it none of it was his doing? Go away Larry, go far away. Retreat back to your anonymous existence and go on a lifelong search for your lost dignity.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "He was, however, entrapped. That much is certain." You've got to be kidding.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice ^^ I disagree, Mr. X... Craig was the 'aggressor.' Peering through the crack for much longer than a "is there anyone in there" peek. The "wide stance" thing... Yeah right... so wide his foot lands well into the other stall. And the waving of the hand under the stall (to pick up a non-existent piece of paper). Then the cop flashed the badge. Sorry... I don't believe it was entrapment. If I sat on a jury, I'd find Craig guilty.
Originally Posted By Mr X Neither of you were there. I'm not kidding in the least. The cop was sitting in a shitter waiting for someone to do something "wrong". That's not entrapment? And what about the interview. The cop was clearly being an aggressive, scary person over and over and over... It was, most CERTAINLY, entrapment. I'm not kidding in the least. And it's another reason to hate cops (did ANYONE read the interrogation? Did anyone care about the harrassment involved? The threats that cop threw out such as "I'd expect better from a senator", and "you are lying to me")... Last I heard, "I don't remember" does not constitute a lie... You people are ignoring the fact that the cop acted outside the boundries of the law. Does NOONE else see this? The guy was railroaded (and I don't even CARE if he was cruising for sex or whatever, that's NOT THE POINT). Guilty until proven innocent...no doubt. And another reason to hate the system, and another reason I hate the country of my birth (and will only return to visit, cautiously to boot since the gestapo is firmly in charge)... Does noone else see this?
Originally Posted By Mr X **Peering through the crack for much longer than a "is there anyone in there" peek. The "wide stance" thing... Yeah right... so wide his foot lands well into the other stall. And the waving of the hand under the stall (to pick up a non-existent piece of paper).** Wondering Alice, what crime did this guy commit in this case, IF the cop was telling the truth (the guy denied most of it, no?)?? Why is everyone so quick to belive the obviously corrupt and intimidating cop?
Originally Posted By wonderingalice Okay... I understand you have your reasons for hating cops. Fine. But... If I were a guy - not a cop - in a stall, and some other guy was doing all of that to me, you can bet I would be suspicious - and probably want to give him a good smack-down. If I were a young boy and that crap was going on, I'd run and tell my parents as fast as I could. Would airport security step in then...? Probably. Why do YOU think Craig's not lying? He pleaded guilty, after all. And unless Idaho elected a complete moron, we have to assume he knew what he was doing from the start - covering it up.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Mr. X, I'm in broad agreement with you that cops have better things to do than sit in a stall and wait to arrest sad and deeply closeted men looking for a quickie. At the same time, I don't believe this is entrapment, and courts all over the country concur with that. The cop was just sitting there, as someone might be just sitting in a stall. Craig initiated everything. Entrapment is when the cop initiates things, and tempts someone into doing something they otherwise might not have done. Offering someone a bribe, for instance. Or "hey, buddy, want to make a quick hundred bucks? Just take this envelope and drop it in the trash can on the corner of..." SPP can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the cop has to initiate things for it to be considered entrapment. Also, I listened to the tape, and I didn't find him threatening. More like exasperated at hearing lies he knew not to be true. Just for fun, consider that the cop is telling the truth. He was THERE, and not 20 minutes before, this guy in the stall next to him was waving his hand back and forth, palm up, to signal for sex. Then Craig tries to say he was "picking up a piece of paper" when the cop knows there was no piece of paper? He's being lied to, and he knows it, and I thought he sounded very calm and reasonable, but increasingly exasperated as the lies continued. I agree that this is a poor use of police, but that cop knows the law very well and I'm sure this does not constitute entrapment.
