Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan So, DAR, go ahead and challenge Reid's comments. No one's stopping you. I don't get why you think you can't challenge his statements. Challenge away.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Then bush is their guy. The "defeat" isn't because of the US military or the iraqis, it's because of the incompetence and arrogance in the leadership roles. This is where the GOP needs to 'man up' and start taking responsibility for the situation as it exists today. The nascent iraqi government is shia dominated, theocratic and aligned with iran because that's the circumstances that were CREATED by bush and his administration. They act surprised by the civil war that has resulted from toppling saddam's regime, even though they were told repeatedly that this would be the outcome. They didn't listen then because they 'knew better'. They don't listen now because they're entrenched in a bunker mentality of their own creation. Instead they point fingers at the opposition with politics of divisiveness. They complain that democrats are "politicizing" the war, when they're the ones who created it out of whole political cloth. Remember, iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. And they've done jack about the guy that actually does take responsibility. They not only claim to be the only ones that are "keeping us safe" but go all the way to saying democrats won't. Even true conservatives are distancing themselves from bush and his administration. And with good reason too - bush isn't a conservative by any standard definition of the term. And without the hard right supporting him, he's got no one left except the christians, and they'll believe anything they're told.
Originally Posted By friendofdd >>>And without the hard right supporting him, he's got no one left except the christians, and they'll believe anything they're told.<<< I would be interested in your sources for this info. Especially since many lefties seem to believe the hard right and christians are one and the same.
Originally Posted By DAR <<So, DAR, go ahead and challenge Reid's comments. No one's stopping you. I don't get why you think you can't challenge his statements. Challenge away.>> Will do. I feel Senator Reid and other Democrats are using our troops for their own political gain and that is repulsive.
Originally Posted By DAR And K2M for the record, these boards have reached the point where you're only allowed to say bad things about Bush. So here goes, it's all his fault everything sucks because of him. There am I now allowed to play with you guys.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>And K2M for the record, these boards have reached the point where you're only allowed to say bad things about Bush.<< Post 24 proves that isn't the case. But it is a discussion board, and if you post something people disagree with, you should expect people to comment. We have people on here pretty much every day telling us that President Bush is right on the war, taxes, immigration, you name it, and that whatever is wrong is because of the left. Do those statements get challenged? Yep. It's a discussion board. Works both ways.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I feel Senator Reid and other Democrats are using our troops for their own political gain and that is repulsive.<< I feel that the GOP has been doing that for 4 years now. The difference is, one side wants them home, the other is content to let them stay in Iraq.
Originally Posted By DAR The GOP shouldn't get a pass either. And you know I want them to come one, but what the Democrats don't get is you don't announce when your pulling ou, you just pick a day and leave.
Originally Posted By DAR Let's repost shall we: The GOP shouldn't get a pass either. And you know I want them to come home, but what the Democrats don't get is you don't announce when your pulling out, you just pick a day and leave. None of this announcing the date crap.
Originally Posted By gadzuux If you examine it further, what are their motives for wanting to continue in iraq. Is it because of a sincere belief that iraq can be transformed into a modern functioning democracy? Or is it because they hope to escape the taint of abject failure for their legacy? I've never thought that this administration is stupid, just corrupt. They know iraq is a lost cause - they know it better than most. But neither do they want the collapse to happen on their watch. In other words, they continue with a pointless war for their own selfish purposes - both politically and in amassing ever greater wealth at the expense of our military and our nation. How repulsive is that, dar?
Originally Posted By DAR Again for the record, nobody gets a pass in this except for those actually on the battlefield. This has been fubar on all levels from a political standpoint. But given the circumstances our soldiers have performed admirably. They're the ones who shown true character, something many in Washington would be wise to emulate.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>But given the circumstances our soldiers have performed admirably. They're the ones who shown true character, something many in Washington would be wise to emulate.<< True. No argument on that.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder From the thread titled Major Scientist Changes Mind Re: Global Warming Thread, some DAR quotes: "No I don't because clearly I'm too stupid to understand." "You're right I shouldn't look at this cold snap as proof that we are not in a warming period." "I'm not going to disagree with you guys because it's clearly not allowed." "Fine you guys win, I'll accept global warming because I'm told to. I won't read additional findings on this because clearly those are wrong. So from now on I will just agree with what you guys say because you're all right." "And I sure hope I can make it home safely tonight what with all the snow on the road and the visiblity being extremely low. I'd like to continue agreeing with everything you guys write down." From the present thread: "So Senator Reid is beyond criticism?" "Senator Reid and the Democrats are certainly not unAmerican. But their statements have every right to be challenged and I feel that isn't the case any more." "And K2M for the record, these boards have reached the point where you're only allowed to say bad things about Bush. So here goes, it's all his fault everything sucks because of him. There am I now allowed to play with you guys." I thought I recognized a pattern, and I was right. DAR, why do you do this? Moreover, all politicians do things for political gain. What else is there? So how is Reid repulsive?
Originally Posted By DAR <<I thought I recognized a pattern, and I was right. DAR, why do you do this?>> Truthfully, those on these boards who are in the anti-Bush camp, the pro global warming, the anti-Iraq camp are very condenscending to those who hold an opposite point of view. As for Reid and other politicians being repulsive bickering like this in a time of war doesn't help our troops.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder DAR, what do you consider bickering. I would suggest that what Reid and others are doing is representing what their constituencies feels about the war. On the whole, this country is fed up with this war. If Bush refuses to react accordingly, what should Reid, et al do? Their job is to put forth the feelings of the populace.
Originally Posted By DAR <<On the whole, this country is fed up with this war. If Bush refuses to react accordingly, what should Reid, et al do? Their job is to put forth the feelings of the populace.>> Most people want things to change over there, myself included. However, that does not include surrendering. I'm fine with us leaving, I'm not fine with us surrendering. There was a big misunderstanding that the Iraqi people would step up and take control of their country. But in the end maybe their just an ingrateful people.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Most people want things to change over there, myself included. However, that does not include surrendering. I'm fine with us leaving, I'm not fine with us surrendering." Who advocates surrendering?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "But in the end maybe their just an ingrateful people." Ungrateful? For what? For turning their country into a quagmire? For invading without a fully thought out plan? Did you really expect us to be greeted as liberators?
