Originally Posted By TomSawyer And how's that working for them? It has only been about five years - how much longer will it take for them to band together?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <And how's that working for them?> It's had its ups and downs, but as long as we do not give up, it will happen. <It has only been about five years - how much longer will it take for them to band together?> It's only been three. How much longer it takes depends a lot on our resolve. As long as we have people saying it can't work, our enemies will keep trying to make it so.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <By the way, they had that opportunity when Saddam was in charge, too.> Not really.
Originally Posted By jonvn Just heard on the news that the insurgency is now financially independent. They can continue as long as they want now. They have the money to do so. Yeah. Just another couple of years....Oh brother.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Of course they did, Douglas. Or do you disagree with the Declaration of Independence?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Or do you disagree with the Declaration of Independence?> The right to overthrow a tyrranical government is different from the opportunity to. I don't remember reading that King George suppressed our revolution with helicopter gunships, mass executions, and gas attacks, the way Saddam did.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>I don't remember reading that King George suppressed our revolution with helicopter gunships, mass executions, and gas attacks, the way Saddam did.<< So it's only a right if it's easy?
Originally Posted By ecdc Douglas, you have no proof that if we don't give up it will work. In fact, most experts disagree with you. The Iraqi people disagree with you. At this point, it's blind faith.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <So it's only a right if it's easy?> It's only an opportunity if it's possible.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Douglas, you have no proof that if we don't give up it will work.> True. But it's much more likely to work if we don't give up than if we do. <In fact, most experts disagree with you. The Iraqi people disagree with you.> Those aren't facts.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>But it's much more likely to work if we don't give up than if we do.<< Give up what?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh More than can be answered here. If you really want to know, you might want to read a source that goes into more detail than the typical newspaper article.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer I want to know what you think we're doing that we can't give up, Douglas.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Training the Iraqi army. Providing some security. Ensuring that armed militias can't set up little fiefdoms against the wishes of most Iraqis. Hunting down insurgents and terrorists who kidnap and kill the innocent. Keeping neighboring countries, hostile to democracy, from exerting greater influence. Restoring infrastructure. There might be a few things I've forgotten, but I think what I've listed are important things.
Originally Posted By mrichmondj Would it be okay to give up the torture of detainees and running of prisons that are against international law?
