Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Glad you know my friends much more than I do.<< So Josh, if you wanted to, you could just decide to enjoy sex with another man? That's ludicrous. Your theory means that people aren't straight or gay, they are just stubborn.
Originally Posted By mele <<Glad you know my friends much more than I do.>> Supposedly you're not gay and yet you spend plenty of time telling us what it's like to be gay. To believe that they were straight but just decided to be gay because it was easier is just absurd.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF >>Supposedly you're not gay and yet you spend plenty of time telling us what it's like to be gay.<< Not only that, but you're involved in theatre! Ooooooooooooooh...
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Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<Glad you know my friends much more than I do.>> in this sense I probably do. It sounds to me like both they AND you need to believe this "theory" of sexuality for your own reasons. But that doesn't put it anywhere in the realm of reality.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin "I love theater, MUSICAL theater especially. I ADORE most things Disney. I love dance. I'm a little flamboyant and lots of other stereotypical gay things. But I love my wife, I love our sexual relationship, and wouldn't change that, ever." As a great American once said..."Closets are for gowns, darling."
Originally Posted By mele Josh, you are too defensive. I'm sorry you don't think you've spent time, ad nauseum, telling us your theories about gays. You did it in this very thread so to deny that you've done it is even more absurd than the ridiculous theory you've come up with about your TWO friends. GMAB!
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Even if they think so--don't take their self-delusion (and trust me, a lot of gay/bi people can have that, especially when young) as anything but that.>> Exactly correct. I never admitted my bisexuality to my Kinsey Six brother, because he was 110% adamant that bisexuals were homosexuals who couldn't accept themselves. He didn't believe in Kinsey's research and pronounced it as bunk. I loved him dearly, but sometimes, he was an idiot. Because of the lack of acceptance for gays in the straight community, and lack of acceptance for bisexuality in the gay community, many bis grow up even more conflicted and psychologically troubled than the Kinsey Six crowd. It's quite common to see bisexuals, especially men, unconsciously closet themselves within the straight community they're raised in, only to open up and allow their homosexual attraction to surface in "safe" adult environments with accepting gays, such as the entertainment industry. And given the myriad of stories I've heard and read about, this is quite common inside Disney. Sexuality is not an on/off switch, nor is it binary. Many shades of grey between Kinsey Zero and Kinsey Six, with 98% of the population sitting somewhere between the two.
Originally Posted By mele <<the ridiculous theory you've come up with about your TWO friends. GMAB!>> Oops, should say the ridiculous theory that you've come up with about all gays due to your TWO friends, especially when more gays, as well as experts in sexuality, are telling you differently.
Originally Posted By mele skinnerbox, the ways bisexuals are viewed even w/in the gay community is frustrating! It would be easier to just be gay or straight. I am married (not because it was "easier") but have many lesbian friends who assure me that they aren't interested in relationships with bisexual women. It's not that they don't believe bisexuality doesn't exist, it's that bi women tend usually end up with men when it is all said and done. Lesbians do not want to compete. I don't know if it's that way w/in the male gay community...?
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "I don't know if it's that way w/in the male gay community...?" I would say it's a little different. It's not like gay men don't want to compete with women. I think that a lot of gay men feel the way Skinnerbox's brother feels. Like Bi men are really gay, and only "pretending" to like women. I know several friends who say bisexuality is just a coverup so gay guys can pretend their straight. So, yeah, Bi people really get treated poorly by gays and straights. So, yeah, Josh, I think your friends didn't tell you the whole truth at least. You can't just turn it off or on. If it were that easy, couldn't you switch your preference on the spot too? I mean, you were working at Disney and with the same gay entertainment group...if it was a choice, you could have switched to the "in crowd" too, right? No, it's just not possible, unless you actually are attracted to both, and then, it's a choice of who to pursue.
Originally Posted By LoyalOrderWaterBuffa ~~~~You can't just turn it off or on.~~~~ this josh who comes here for peace never said choosing to be gay is as simple as an on and off switch, but thanKs for misleading us about his words. a choice can come about over time and not necessarily instantly like a light switch. choice is about power to decide and sometimes it takes years to choose, or even a lifetime, or sometimes choice cane be instant josh is correct in that some choose to go with their own kind. as for me i have always chosen the right path and stayed away froM my own kind like that even though the ladies want me to get drunk and play. but i don't play like that. men play a better game
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder The only time I use the word never is when I say "never say you've seen it all."
Originally Posted By LoyalOrderWaterBuffa ~~~~Bi people really get treated poorly by gays and straights~~~~ i can't say either way, but being flexible is so much easier beCause the pool of possible bedtime partners just about doubles
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin "i have always chosen the right path and stayed away froM my own kind like that even though the ladies want me to get drunk and play" Enlighten us...exactly what species are you?
Originally Posted By mele Hm, someone sounds more and more like Grandma Nancy everyday. Anyone else see the similarities in this fine place?
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Lesbians do not want to compete. I don't know if it's that way w/in the male gay community...? << Gay men aren't usually "competing" for anything - especially long term. They only want twenty minutes or so.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<josh is correct in that some choose to go with their own kind. And being straight, you would know this...how?? Josh is not correct--he needs to believe what he does so as not to have a cognitive dissonance with his religion, and/or took the word of a couple of people who were kidding themselves.
Originally Posted By mele LOL. Well, lesbians will have sex with bi women, I just meant they don't consider them good for relationships. Of course, lesbians are pretty quick to settle into relationships, so maybe it's the same thing. ;-)
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Forgive me,Mele, but it reminds me of an old joke: What does a Lesbian bring on a second date? A moving van.
