Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "The mythology surrounding both Jobs and Lasseter are nowhere near reality" At long last somebody said exactly what I've been thinking for years about this subject.
Originally Posted By Manfried <<The point, of course, is that the death of Steve Jobs did not pass without comment on LP.>> Did the person who started this thread see this? I think that person owes LP an apology.
Originally Posted By Malin I hope anaheimhomeboy doesn't see's Al Lutz comments on MiceAge from today. It may not be the kind of mention for Steve Jobs that he was hoping for here.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>I hope anaheimhomeboy doesn't see's Al Lutz comments on MiceAge from today.<< Aaaaand MiceAge heard from! >>Upon Steve Jobs passing, a possibly uninformed Iger announced Thursday that the Disney and American flags at all Disney properties be lowered to half-staff for the next week. For an organization like Disneyland that follows the official US Flag Code to the letter, this break from American flag etiquette didn't sit well with a lot of Cast Members, and by Thursday afternoon City Hall was logging some customer concerns for it as well. It should be noted when Roy E. Disney passed on in '09 Iger only had the Disney flags lowered, which would have also been the correct way to handle the passing of Jobs. - Al Lutz<< You know, MY Mom always said, if you can't say something nice... [Image here: <a href="http://www.laughingplace.com/showpic.asp?filename=http://laughingplace.com/files/live/big/0014654-257505.jpg&caption=Disneyland+flags+at+half+staff+for+Steve+Jobs" target="_blank">http://www.laughingplace.com/s...eve+Jobs</a> ]
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt The lowering of the American flag for Steve Jobs is a real head scratcher. Did DL lower the flags when Walt Disney passed? I'm guessing that the answer is no considering that to do so goes against protocol.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I'm guessing the answer is yes - I'd be mightily surprised if they didn't lower the flag at Disneyland upon Walt's death. As for Al's comment - if it's true - what do these people care who they lower the flag for?
Originally Posted By DlandDug The flag at Disneyland was lowered, then taken back up. I don't recall what they finally decided.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I'm guessing the answer is yes - I'd be mightily surprised if they didn't lower the flag at Disneyland upon Walt's death." He wasn't a political figure or military service person. Why should the Nation's flag be lowered for anyone else, unless instructed by the POTUS? Did Obama request that the US flag be flown at half staff yesterday? I doubt it. From the US Flag Code: "By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff. The flag shall be flown at half-staff thirty days from the death of the President or a former President; ten days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress."
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "The flag at Disneyland was lowered, then taken back up. I don't recall what they finally decided." For Walt or Steve?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Copying and posting what Doug posted in the WDW boards: >>In addition to the traditional half-staff salutes when proclaimed by the President, the Flag Code mentions the use of our Flag for honoring citizens who have died, especially government officials and prominent citizens. However, the Flag Code does not exclude any citizen, whether they belong to an organization or not, whether they are recognized very locally or regionally. Examples of deceased citizens that might be honored with by lowering the Flag to half-staff include local religious leaders, youth leaders, honored teachers or sports coaches, local politicians, or a local hero. There need be no authorization from the government for the private sector (non-government) to use the Flag to honor any citizen. It is important to note that the Flag Code is a code, it is intended to provide guidance and is not obligatory. It carries no civil or criminal penalties for "misuse" of the Flag. Individual are not acting illegally when using the Flag according to their own usage. Only on government / public building is the flag code required to be followed.<< <a href="http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html" target="_blank">http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html</a>
Originally Posted By TP2000 The American Flag at Disneyland was NOT lowered for Roy E. Disney's passing in 2009. They only lowered the "Disney" flag, which is that silly little orange thing on the west wing of the train station. Disneyland is in clear violation of the US Flag Code by lowering the Flag for Steve Jobs. And I still don't get why we should care that much as Disneyland fans. Jobs may have been brilliant, and talented, and a very nice guy, but he obviously didn't really care much about Disneyland or any Disney theme park. He never once appeared at Disneyland, and made no real attempt to integrate Apple products into the Disney theme park experience. Microsoft and HP are still the big sponsors at Innoventions, the Disneyland managers wandering around in Dockers all still use Company-issued Blackberries, and Apple has no physical theme park presence. Steve Jobs was not interested in Disneyland, and that's fine. So why should we as Disneyland fans be interested in his death any more than anyone else? Life will go on, and already is going on, without Steve Jobs. Now they just need to fix that glaring flag code violation they've got going on.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Disneyland is in clear violation of the US Flag Code by lowering the Flag for Steve Jobs. > Well, no, it's not. From the post just above yours: "There need be no authorization from the government for the private sector (non-government) to use the Flag to honor any citizen...Individual are not acting illegally when using the Flag according to their own usage. Only on government / public building is the flag code required to be followed." Disney is private sector and DL is not a government building. They can lower the flag for whomever they like. Whether Jobs merits it or not is a separate question. But there's no violation of the flag code.
Originally Posted By JeffG The flag code isn't law, so violating it isn't illegal. Instead it is really a matter of appropriateness. Looking at the code itself, it is a pretty big stretch to interpret it as justified to lower the flag for someone that wasn't in public service. I think Steve Jobs contributed a great deal, but he never worked in the public service. He even was somewhat notorious for his general shunning of philanthropic activities. I do think Disney made the wrong decision here, although their intentions were good. -Jeff
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Jobs may have been brilliant, and talented, and a very nice guy>> Jobs was brilliant and talented, but from everything I've read since his death (even in the most complimentary articles), he was NOT such a nice guy. He apparently was a real SOB to work for. Driven people usually are... I've read the same about Walt Disney.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost As RT said, so was Walt...in the strictest sense of the word. Still, if a private, non-governmental source wants to fly a flag at half mast, it is their right and is not nor can it be considered inappropriate. If an individual doesn't want to or feels that it doesn't warrant that type of homage...then they don't have to do so, but they should, at least, be able to acknowledge others the right to do it.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Steve Jobs is just a guy who did some good things and some bad things, more good and more bad depending on who you ask. Just like Walt Disney. Just like anyone else. Deifying these figures is insane. For example, I'm a big fan of John Lennon but Yoko Ono was right when she told all his fans to go the hell home when they were crying in Central Park about his death.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "Still, if a private, non-governmental source wants to fly a flag at half mast, it is their right and is not nor can it be considered inappropriate." You can also poop on a flag and no one can stop you. What's your point?
