Originally Posted By dagobert >>>That's really interesting; I wonder what it will be used for. In DCA it's a fancy restaurant and lounge, but in WDW it's a shop. I'm also interested to see how that whole entry area works out, since all the buildings are different architectural styles; it looks like the building to the right of the Carthay Circle has a castle turret<<< I would use it as a restaurant, because from the first floor you would have a fantastic view on the hub, while the ground floor could be used for an outdoor seating area. I noticed the turret as well. Maybe they used this design for the transition from MS to the garden in front of the castle. I guess it will have a Fantasyland look.
Originally Posted By dagobert Have you seen the smog pictures of Shanghai today? It looked terrible. How far is SDL away from the city center?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Yah, that looks really bad. SDL's site is about 12 miles from the skyscrapers in Pudong that comprise the iconic Shanghai skyline. I'm not sure which airport has the grounded flights, but the mostly-international one is 7 miles from SDL and the mostly-domestic one is 19 miles I would assume that the air quality on a day like today would be an issue for Shanghai Disneyland, though it sounds like today is an extreme example. Shanghai is near the ocean, which helps keep the air clean, and SDL is on the ocean side of the city (roughly halfway between the city and the international airport, which is right on the coast) so that might help it some I would imagine that in the future on days like today, rather than using the skyscrapers to show how polluted it is, they'll use the iconic castle in the center of the park
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>I would imagine that in the future on days like today, rather than using the skyscrapers to show how polluted it is, they'll use the iconic castle in the center of the park<<< If you can't see the castle from the entrance, you know that something isn't right.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Maybe @leemac can confirm the list?>> Nope - I'd rather not jepardise this month's paycheck!
Originally Posted By leemac <<Have you seen the smog pictures of Shanghai today? It looked terrible. How far is SDL away from the city center?>> It has been very bad again recently - to the point of actually stinging your eyes if you don't have some sort of glasses/sunglasses on. I dread to think what is actually in the atmosphere at street level. My office window is perpetually covered in a brown gunk - once cleaned it returns in 24 hours.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Shanghai is near the ocean, which helps keep the air clean, and SDL is on the ocean side of the city (roughly halfway between the city and the international airport, which is right on the coast) so that might help it some>> Wind direction fluctuates a lot in Shanghai - and sadly there isn't enough wind from the west to drive the smog out to sea. The wind is usually northerly or southerly. Not good combos.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Man, those are hideous. The 2nd one is the only one that appeals to me.>> The models look even worse I can assure you! If the second design is the generic Fantasy concept (all blue with stars) then that one is the preferred one at present. The Company would like more character motifs as they need to drive home the concept of characters as much as possible. One design was very reminiscent of the old preview center for EDL. Bold primary colors to fill in the oversized character images.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>Nope - I'd rather not jepardise this month's paycheck!<<< That's bad, but I understand ;-). >>>It has been very bad again recently - to the point of actually stinging your eyes if you don't have some sort of glasses/sunglasses on. I dread to think what is actually in the atmosphere at street level. My office window is perpetually covered in a brown gunk - once cleaned it returns in 24 hours.<<< This doesn't sound good at all.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>The Company would like more character motifs as they need to drive home the concept of characters as much as possible.<< That doesn't surprise me at all, but is very disappointing. I know that Iger is extremely character/franchise focused, and he's trying to make a big impact in China, but this just seems like the wrong way to approach it to me. Disney's brand used to be quality and excellence; increasingly it seems like the brand is now just characters painted on the wall. Maybe the characters are the best approach in China, but with all the counterfeiting I saw when I was there, it hardly seems like the most unique or distinctive
Originally Posted By Brad Why is Minnie flexing her right bicep? Is this some hidden message about Chinese strength or something? Weird.
Originally Posted By Brad And that artwork just makes SDL look like a giant park(as in nature park)filled with a trees, a few "circus tents" covering carousels and spinners with a castle in the middle. Couple the lame design with the locals' predilection for spitting everywhere and this may be the first Disney park I NEVER visit.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Shanghai is near the ocean, which helps keep the air clean, and SDL is on the ocean side of the city >>> Well, HKDL is immediately on the ocean, and that doesn't stop it (and downtown Hong Kong, which is on an island) from being choked in smog if the conditions are bad. It's very similar to Shanghai: if the wind is blowing from inland, then it's carrying all of the factory and power plant pollution with it. The fact that you're near the ocean or right on the ocean really doesn't help - you have to be a ways out to sea before the pollution dissipates. But if the wind switches direction and comes in from the sea, then it's a night-and-day difference.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "It will also be interesting to see how the Chinese stuff works out. On paper, it seems very patronizing, so I'm skeptical." You and me both. Other than the castle I've yet to see anything about this place that excites me.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: Even the castle doesn't impress me. It's an over-blown structure with no real identity--a one size fits all princesses place that doesn't appeal to this cauldron girl what-so-ever. I mean, when I see a castle or a cottage I wanna' know who it belongs to; who lives there! I don't want some kind of slumber party castle where just ANY princess can drop in like it was a dormitory situation! I want it to belong to one specific princess!!!
Originally Posted By dagobert I'm also not a big fan of the castle. In my opinion it's way too big. DLP will still have the most beautiful Disney castle. I can't wait to get some informations about the new Pirates ride and since I'm a big Tron fan, I would like to get some infos of the propose Tron coaster too.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Do you guys realize that PoC is almost 50 years old? I love the ride and the concept as much as the next Disney nerd, but c'mon, it's time for something new. I don't care how many times they rework it.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>Do you guys realize that PoC is almost 50 years old? I love the ride and the concept as much as the next Disney nerd, but c'mon, it's time for something new. I don't care how many times they rework it.<<< Does that mean you are excited about a new version, or do you want to say, that Disney should create something entirely new for SDL instead of a new pirates ride? I don't care how old it is, I love the ride, especially the one in Paris without Captain Jack Sparrow. I'm really excited about the new ride that is rumoured for SDL.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Does that mean you are excited about a new version, or do you want to say, that Disney should create something entirely new for SDL instead of a new pirates ride?<< I would be happy with either. I really like what they did in Paris, with the fort at the beginning and the rearranged order of the scenes. It kept everything familiar, but was different enough to make it a very fresh experience. At the same time, I wholeheartedly welcome change and new ideas. The original E-Tickets that they created for TDS are outstanding, and I've seen some of the same creativity in WDI's recent work. For me, Disney's best work is when they do completely new and unexpected things, like POTC was in 1967; I think it's time for them to create modern classics, rather than relying completely on the old favorites I think that the DL-style parks should be a mix of the classics along with new ideas. I'm really excited to see how the Tron coaster turns out. I don't particularly care for much of what I've seen for the castle so far, but I appreciate that they're putting in the effort to make it something new and fresh; that's more than we can say about most of the TDL and HKDL opening day attractions
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>I think that the DL-style parks should be a mix of the classics along with new ideas. I'm really excited to see how the Tron coaster turns out. I don't particularly care for much of what I've seen for the castle so far, but I appreciate that they're putting in the effort to make it something new and fresh; that's more than we can say about most of the TDL and HKDL opening day attractions<<< I think so too. And for me POTC is such an integral part of the Disney parks that I want to see that ride at SDL as well. I'm glad that WDI isn't going to copy the existing attractions, but instead they are trying something new.
