Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Is it really so hard to understand that most conservatives feel the same way?<< Not at all. But I don't believe you do. You seem to play fast and loose with the definition of torture in topics past, much like a former vice president. That makes it tough to believe you feel the same way as Mele.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Some conservatives understand that, but it's easier for them to paint opponents as wanting to be "soft" on terrorists by dismissing and distorting such distinctions.> Similarly, it's easier for liberals to claim conservatives want to torture innocents because they don't want to admit that it might be necessary to sometimes detain suspected terrorists and use harsh interrogation techniques in order to protect us all. Just as it's sometimes necessary to shoot teenage pirates.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I don't believe you do.> Well, I do. But demonizing your opponent is always easier than actually addressing their argument. <You seem to play fast and loose with the definition of torture in topics past, much like a former vice president.> I think it's other people who are playing fast and loose with definitions.
Originally Posted By DAR <<I agree, but my point was that because these pirates are only in it for the money, killing them is less likely to cause more people to become pirates, unlike the situation with religious extremists.>> Except money is the new religion.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Well, I do.<< Good. You can start proving it by not calling torture "harsh interrogation techniques".
Originally Posted By DAR Speaking of the detainees from the prison formerly known as Guantanamo, once they get there day in court. And are shipped to their various prison cells, do we care what happens to them then? Can there captors go to work then?
Originally Posted By dlkozy "One thing I think conservatives really don't seem to understand...." A blanket inaccurate statement. You would not appreciate such a statement about liberals and or Dems.
Originally Posted By mele Whatever. The fact that some conservatives do not believe this was ALREADY pointed out and I already agreed. Day late and a dollar short.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<And are shipped to their various prison cells, do we care what happens to them then? Can there captors go to work then?>> Just what do you mean by "go to work"? Are you really so hungry for blood that you want to see these people brutalized? Whether you like it or not, we have rules about how we treat prisoners, and I expect that whoever is holding them will follow those rules. And I'm pretty sure those rules don't allow for prisoner abuse.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Just what do you mean by "go to work"? Are you really so hungry for blood that you want to see these people brutalized?>> Let's see people who flew airplanes into buildings. People who have no problem cutting the heads off of their captors. People have no problem sending children, women or mentally ill people as bombs into crowded marketplaces. Those must be the people you refer to.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You can start proving it by not calling torture "harsh interrogation techniques".> I'm not the one confusing the two.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<Those must be the people you refer to.>> Yes DAR, those quite possibly are the people I'm referring too - assuming they're guilty as charged. But even so, I still don't want to see them brutalized. Does that make me soft? Maybe. But as far as I'm concerned, two wrongs do not make a right. Hurting them won't do anything to change what has already happened.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Yes DAR, those quite possibly are the people I'm referring too - assuming they're guilty as charged. But even so, I still don't want to see them brutalized.>> But yet they can brutalize innocents, well I guess that's fair. A little newsflash these are some scary MF'ers and the more of them in prison or preferably dead the world will be a better place.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>"Whatever. The fact that some conservatives do not believe this was ALREADY pointed out and I already agreed. Day late and a dollar short."<<< Oh. I didn't realize that there was a time limit on answering a post-I will remember that.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<A little newsflash these are some scary MF'ers and the more of them in prison or preferably dead the world will be a better place.>> And just when did I say that they shouldn't be in prison? I never said that. By all means, we should keep them locked up if they are found guilty of their crimes - but that doesn't mean we get to torture them too. Just because they've done evil things doesn't mean we have to as well.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "<You can start proving it by not calling torture "harsh interrogation techniques".> I'm not the one confusing the two." Maybe you can explain the difference, since you seem to think there is.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Maybe you can explain the difference, since you seem to think there is.> If I do, will you admit there's a difference and stop conflating the two?
Originally Posted By DAR <<but that doesn't mean we get to torture them too. >> But it doesn't mean they deserve to be treated humanely or with respect, because they deserve neither.
