Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "You've been involved in law enforcement Passholder (iirc), what do you think of my take on the difference? How would you define the difference between "harsh interrogation" and "torture"?" Well, as someone who used to teach interrogations, has done several hundred of them, and since I've become an attorney modified the approach and now teach it to other attorneys to use during depositions and court testimony, I'm interested to see what our boy has to say. He's evaded the issue obviously. Your take on it is reasonable. When you get down to it, it's all subjective though. Some forms of mental torture, such as the mock execution you mention, or telling someone a loved one is getting raped every time they disappoint their captors, are as bad as any form of physical torture or injury as far as I'm concerned. After a while, most prisoners will tell you whatever they think will get you to stop. The info can be useful or it can be a bunch of made up stuff, and often it's tough to tell which is which. It's been proven over and over again through the years that interrogations wherein you gain the respect, trust and/or confidence of the subject, sometimes practically befriending them, gains the best and most intel. Reaching that conclusion isn't rocket science, but in my experience it is far and away the best technique. In my experience, a "harsh interrogation" is just another way of saying a subject was hit, injured, slapped around, maimed, etc., mocked to the point of humiliation (disrobed, paraded around, some sort of cultural debasement) or the mind games I described above. That's all just torture in my book as much as waterboarding or finger nail pulling, anal penetration, eyes poked out, etc. And as far as I'm concerned, it's all criminal and wrong.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <It's obvious you don't know, and enjoy getting ripped on by people here.> What's is obvious is that your question wasn't honest, and that you'd rip me no matter what I say. That's what you do.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "What's is obvious is that your question wasn't honest, and that you'd rip me no matter what I say. That's what you do." What a friggin' joke. My question couldn't have been more straightforward. Need any more towels?
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Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Yeah, whatever. You don't have the courage of your convictions. Let's review. You never answer questions with a direct answer about anything, you've insulted my marriage and countless others, you recently declared gays second class citizens, you think McCarthy was a good guy, and you repeatedly tell any number of people their arguments against aren't worthy of a response from you. here, you declared a difference between torture and "harsh interrogation", and then you shrink away from explaining what that difference might be. Why anyone here still treats you decently is beyond me. I have had it. I'm done. You don't deserve an ounce of respect from any of us because you show none in return. It's plainly obvious from the way you treat people. Your act is done, old tired and outlived its usefulness. And take your pithy retorts shove them right back where they came form.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder LOL. Still no difference between torture and "harsh interrogation", Dougie?
Originally Posted By DAR <<It's been proven over and over again through the years that interrogations wherein you gain the respect, trust and/or confidence of the subject, sometimes practically befriending them, gains the best and most intel. Reaching that conclusion isn't rocket science, but in my experience it is far and away the best technique. >> I want to ask this before this thread is closed. So you follow this techique, how do you know you can still take what the subject at his or her word? How do you know they're saying what you want to hear?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Still no difference between torture and "harsh interrogation", Dougie?> There is still a difference, as you're well aware. Look up the definition; anything that is not torture is not torture.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "So you follow this techique, how do you know you can still take what the subject at his or her word? How do you know they're saying what you want to hear?" Because overwhelmingly, once vetted, the information obtained has proven accurate.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "There is still a difference, as you're well aware. Look up the definition; anything that is not torture is not torture." I'd ask again for you to enlighten us, but since you don't know, forget it.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Because overwhelmingly, once vetted, the information obtained has proven accurate.> Just like the information we got from KSM was, after he was "tortured". How about we just leave it up to the interrogation experts, who know what torture is, to determine the best way to get information, just like we leave it up to the experts to determine when they should shoot the pirates?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I'd ask again for you to enlighten us, but since you don't know, forget it.> I'd answer you, but you've repeatedly shown you're not interested in enlightenment.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 Doug, you're pathetic. SPP was right. Over and over and over we have respectfully given you every opportunity to contribute something -- anything! -- of substance, but all you have ever responded with are rhetorical posts that could have been generated by an automated program. "I'm not being evasive. You are!" "I'm not dodging the issue. You are!" "I'm not wrong. You are!" Honestly, if you have a real commitment to the conservative point of view, you should do conservatives a favor and discontinue posting on LP. You come off here as a ridiculous cartoon character. You represent conservatives as buffoons. Each time you post, you set your cause back a few steps.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Just like the information we got from KSM was, after he was "tortured". How about we just leave it up to the interrogation experts, who know what torture is, to determine the best way to get information, just like we leave it up to the experts to determine when they should shoot the pirates?" I dunno. I've done several hundred, I still teach them, I guess that would be me.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Over and over and over we have respectfully given you every opportunity to contribute something -- anything! -- of substance, but all you have ever responded with are rhetorical posts that could have been generated by an automated program.> Please stop lying.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 Did someone post here that there was a clear distinction between religious terrorists and simple money-grubbing pirates? The following is from today's AP feed on the current situation. "Despite President Barack Obama's vow to halt their banditry and the deaths of five pirates in recent French and U.S. hostage rescue missions, brigands seized four vessels and more than 75 hostages off the Horn of Africa since Sunday's dramatic rescue of an American freighter captain. That brought the total number of sailors being held by Somali pirates to over 300 on 17 different ships — a distinct surge in the number of captives over the last few days. This year, Somali pirates have attacked 79 ships and hijacked 19 of them. One pirate declared they are grabbing more ships and hostages now to prove they are not intimidated by Obama's pledge. "Our latest hijackings are meant to show that no one can deter us from protecting our waters from the enemy because we believe in dying for our land," Omar Dahir Idle told The Associated Press by telephone from the Somali port of Harardhere." They believe in dying for their land.
