Should Firefighters be forced to particpate...

Originally Posted By Darkbeer

SO ONLY Left wing liberals should be able to sue and have legal rights?

Hopefully the Judge and Juty will be blind to someone's political views and administer the law without bias....

 

Originally Posted By Dabob2

If that happens, this lawsuit loses.

 

Originally Posted By jmoore1966

It is obvious what the motivation for the Thomas More Law Center is.

That shouldn't make a difference on whether the firefighters have a legimitate grievance though.

 

Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom

I'm going to have to disagree with the firefighters here. I think the San Deigo Gay groups should turn around and sue the city of discrimnatory hiring practices.

 

Originally Posted By inlandemporer

My wife has a lesbian sister who lives with her partner in SD county. We went to this parade with them a couple of years ago, and although I saw some scantily clad people along with a lot more who weren't, I survived.

The only cops and firemen I saw were fully dressed and getting cheered. If some of them got lewd remarks thrown at them, that's unfortunate, but dang, do we sue for EVERYTHING in this country any more? Hurt feelings from remarks from a few people during an hours-long parade? That's not sexual harassment. All this suing has gotten out of control. And you're suing the city for the remarks of parade goers?

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

On what grounds?

I think the firefighters have a good case, actually. They'll probably win. It all comes down to the behavior of the people at the parade, and how it is "tolerated" by those running the event.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"do we sue for EVERYTHING in this country any more?"

Yes, because there is no loss in suing. If you lose, it costs you nothing, generally.

If the people at the parade did nothing wrong, then the firemen will not win. But they have no reason to NOT sue. They have nothing to lose. Meanwhile, the defendants in this, and any other case, are on the hook for all legal fees.

Nice how it works, isn't it? Not much different than the Salem Witch trials. We don't kill you in a lawsuit, we merely take everything you own.

 

Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom

Me things there is a political agenda here...

Here is the article from World News Daily.... it says states exactly the taunts thrown at the firemen.

<a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57363" target="_blank">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n
ews/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57363</a>

All I have to say is that the "laws" of San Deigo should be upheld during any and all events occuring in that state. Suspending those decency laws is wrong. Personally, I think there is more here, I think these guys have a beef with their Chief, so to speak.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

Ha...you said beef.

"expose it for what it truly is – a temporary suspension of decency laws in the name of inclusion and diversity"

This is what I've been saying happens.

Seems like these guys are a bit humorless, though.

 

Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom

I would be too if people were saying things like that while I was in my work uniform, a complete insult to all firemen everywhere.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

IT just boils down to a lack of respect for other people.

 

Originally Posted By debtee

<SO ONLY Left wing liberals should be able to sue and have legal rights? >

Can someone please tell me what does this mean?

I don't understand American politics, as an international lp'er, I'm then left trying to work out what on earth you are talking about?

 

Originally Posted By Darkbeer

The ACLU is well known for mainly being a left wing liberal legal group, and one of the main reasons the Thomas More Law Center was founded was to take the "other" side of the issue, in providing free legal services at no cost to the individual, instead relying on donations, pro bono work and court settlements, just the same as the ACLU does.

<a href="http://www.thomasmore.org/news.html?NewsID=81" target="_blank">http://www.thomasmore.org/news
.html?NewsID=81</a>

>>Richard Thompson, chief counsel and president of the Thomas More Law Center commented, “This case represents another example of the ACLU attempting to remove all recognition of anything religious from the public square. Americans are a religious people. And we have the right to acknowledge in public our religious heritage, especially the moral foundation of our law. The Thomas More Law Center is pleased to have assisted in the efforts to keep the display in the Rotunda of the Alabama Supreme Court.â€

The Thomas More Law Center defends the religious freedom of Christians, time-honored family values, and the sanctity of human life through litigation, education, and related activities. The Law Center provides its services at no charge, and depends on individual donations, foundations, and corporations for financial support. The IRS recognizes the Law Center as a 501(c)(3) organization and donations are tax deductible.<<

<a href="http://www.thomasmore.org/news.html?NewsID=454" target="_blank">http://www.thomasmore.org/news
.html?NewsID=454</a>

>>According to Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Law Center, “As Christmas approaches, we will see more and more ACLU challenges to Nativity displays and other Christmas celebrations. The ACLU’s agenda is to cleanse the public square of all Christian symbols through intimidation and threats of lawsuits which many local governments cannot financially afford. That’s why we offered our legal services without charge in hopes Berkley will not cave in to ACLU threats of a lawsuit.â€

Over the past years, the City has included the nativity scene as part of a broad display outside City Hall. The display also includes a Star of David, Christmas trees, a Santa Claus figure, a Santa’s Mailbox, and a “Seasons Greetings†sign. <<

 

Originally Posted By debtee

Thank you Darkbeer.

 

Originally Posted By Inspector 57

<<The ACLU is well known for mainly being a left wing liberal legal group, and one of the main reasons the Thomas More Law Center was founded was to take the "other" side of the issue, in providing free legal services at no cost to the individual, instead relying on donations, pro bono work and court settlements, just the same as the ACLU does.>>

<<The Thomas More Law Center defends the religious freedom of Christians, time-honored family values, and the sanctity of human life through litigation, education, and related activities.>>

That is complete and total BS.

The Thomas More Law Center does not fight for the "freedoms" of anyone.

It exists to attempt to force its own Catholic morality upon ALL Americans.

 

Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder

Agreed. Darkbeer provided the most biased "information" imaginable.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

I'm shocked.

The ACLU will actually defend anyone, left or right, if they believe their rights are being abused by the government. They have sued for nazis, they have sued for the klan. They base their lawsuits on strict interpretation of freedom of speech and religion.

 

Originally Posted By Dabob2

<The ACLU will actually defend anyone, left or right, if they believe their rights are being abused by the government. They have sued for nazis, they have sued for the klan. They base their lawsuits on strict interpretation of freedom of speech and religion.>

That is correct. They even took Rush Limbaugh's side once.

When the Thomas More center sides with a lefty, let us know.

 

Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF

...and firefighters allegedly behaving badly...

<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/09/05/BA4NRUTVE.DTL" target="_blank">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/
article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/09/05/BA4NRUTVE.DTL</a>

"The San Francisco Fire Department is investigating a tailgate party involving about 30 off-duty firefighters outside a soup kitchen run by nuns with Mother Teresa's order - and the rumor that a booze-fueled firefighter may have groped a female kitchen volunteer, then dropped his pants in front of a second volunteer in a bathroom."

Boys will be boys!