Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I would hardly compare IOA to 6 Flags.<<< Totally not. I would compare them directly to Disney...and in a few cases, they'd win.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Yeppers. I used to think Disney were the very best, but actually I think that Disney, Uni, Busch parks, and Legoland all excel at different things (as does Tivoli Gardens, and Parc Asterix, and Alton Towers, and Eftling, and Europa park and....)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I still think Disney is the best just because they have the whole package, and because they have the history and nostalgia that just comes with the place, even if you've never been there. Uni only had that in WWoHP for me, and that's because I've read/obsessed over the books/movies. But does that mean Uni is worse? Nope. It's just as good, and really does a great job at story telling. It's a different style. Busch, though? Ehhhhh....Been there twice. Never really liked my time there.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Well, Tivoli Gardens is largely responsible for Disney, and the magic can be felt there too.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<What's scary, is that it feels like Disney... Just...different. It transcends that. Don't know how to put it into words that I have not used already.>> No, it doesn't feel like Disney really, EE. What it feels like is top of the line immersive theme park quality storytelling. I love IOA, always have, but I am sure WWoHP will take it to a whole 'nother level. But it's not Disney. And that's fine. There's more than one way to grill a great steak ... or make art. Or theme park art. <<And you NEED to go. Your jaw will drop when you walk into WWoHP.>> I WOULD have gone except you and leethatjerkwithahugeegoandhandleherethatgoesonandonandonandon couldn't wait until THIS week. Now, I don't know when I'm going to go to be honest. I'd like to go before I head west, but it would have to be an up and back deal and I hate those (unless someone else is driving!!!) But I am really looking forward to it and I am thrilled you enjoyed it. ~Do I want to see Kong at Uni Hollywood?~
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>>>Synergy. Franchises. Even Toons. They aren't bad. Well, they aren't bad when done at the highest level of quality ... WWoHP obviously is. MILF isn't. The Seas with Nemo isn't. Buzz Lightyear isn't.<<< <<So true. And that's how the original DL was. High quality synergy. How FLE will be, even.>> I dunno. Jury is out on the last one, if only because they can't decide exactly what is being built (beyond Mermaid and Beauty and Beast dining) ... and by the time Mermaid opens, it will be old to me because I'll be riding it next spring in Anaheim. While I expect quality in both parks, I doubt this will be something that resonates within me to my fanboi core! <<But there's too much of the bad, as you said. >> Yes. There is ... and some of it is just bad beyond belief. I was starting to get excited about my visits to HKDL this fall and started looking at pics ... would you believe they are selling Spiderman and IronMan crap in Fantasyland shops in HK?!?! That's this whole brand mindset that Iger can't let go of, like a dog with a bone. ~Hulk is Doing Cindy!~
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Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Spirit, you haven't been to HP? Don't you live in FL? although I don't visit my local 6-flags...dreadful! >> Nope. Apparently, I am the last fanboi in FLA to have not been. Should have gone when it was soft opening in May and I had the chances. ~Magic Mountain? Maybe One Day ...~
Originally Posted By Lee hisownself >>Not really, although I would have liked to have gone. I blame leewhatshisface anyway. The bastard should treat me to Mythos and the first round of ButterBeer!<< Both of which I shall do....if by treat you mean a sip of my Butterbear and an appetizer at Mythos. As a consolation, I'll send you a photo of EE during what shall be known as "The Great Potter Breakdown of '10."
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I still think Disney is the best just because they have the whole package, and because they have the history and nostalgia that just comes with the place, even if you've never been there.>> EE, you know I love you man (in a strictly platonic non-fanboi/Imagineer sense), but statements like that make me cringe Because when you start talking history and nostalgia, it's like the Disney marketeers have won. They're playing on your emotions instead of offering you new, quality, substantive reasons for visiting. I don't feel nostalgia and history at MK. Really. I enjoy it for what it is, but if I start getting filled with nostalgia, it's probably going to leave me sad because I'm going to largely be noticing all the stuff that's missing ... what's been taken away. <<Uni only had that in WWoHP for me, and that's because I've read/obsessed over the books/movies.>> I'd like to see a trip report from ya ... and hear what else you saw/experienced/did. Did you visit UNI or stay at IOA all day? If you missed UNI, you missed a park that is much better than TPFKaTD-MGMS. <<But does that mean Uni is worse? Nope. It's just as good, and really does a great job at story telling. It's a different style.>> Exactly. That's all that's different. But for some people not seeing Mickey plush and CMs with pin lanyards everywhere somehow equates to magic. I don't get that, but I haven't totally lost my mind ... yet! <<Busch, though? Ehhhhh....Been there twice. Never really liked my time there. >> I haven't been in ... well, your lifetime. Much more interested in the VA park, frankly. I don't like Tampa at all, so driving there to do Busch has very little interest for me, even though I can basically get in free whenever I go. ~Where's the free beer? ... Was Pierce here?~
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Well, Tivoli Gardens is largely responsible for Disney, and the magic can be felt there too.>> On my nearterm 'must see' list, but I really want to see it with my Heathrow bed buddy! ;-) ~We should talk this week!~
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>Not really, although I would have liked to have gone. I blame leewhatshisface anyway. The bastard should treat me to Mythos and the first round of ButterBeer!<< <<Both of which I shall do....if by treat you mean a sip of my Butterbear and an appetizer at Mythos.>> How about my own Butterbeer and you can keep the appetizer, but I'll take a filet ... well done, please. <<As a consolation, I'll send you a photo of EE during what shall be known as "The Great Potter Breakdown of '10.">> That will have to wind up on my fridge under an EPCOT magnet! ~Taking the Spirit to dinner is an honor, not a right!~
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "Lots of posters rant and rant against Disney and i've tried to ignore them. My attitude "if you don't like it, shut up and go some where else" " Well, you got your wish. They all went to the WWoHP at IOA and apparently LOVE it! Now, just like they used to do with Disney, they are coming back to tell everybody about it! Good for them!
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "But to walk into a place, where I get some of the feelings I get when I walk into WDW, and I've never even been there before? WOW. That REALLY says something about IoA and WWoHP. It's VERY Disney-esque.It has that level of quality to it, and that level of theme." And to think, you could have been enjoying that very same place since 1998! Not to rag on you EE because I think you're a sweet kid but it's the real nasty anti-Uni people I cannot stand. Those that feel you have attended a Neo-Nazi rally if you step through the gates at USF or IOA - as if you have made Mickey cry. That's just juvenile and stupid and in the end they are missing out on a world class resort in their own backyard.
Originally Posted By SSE I love USF and think it is such a much better experience than the Disney's Hollywood Studios (I hate that name and still refer to it as MGM). Universal feels more open and has much better theming to me and a sense of cohesiveness that the other park lacks. I'm sure if Disney wasn't in a rush to beat Universal in opening their Studio theme park and took time to actually develop it, it could have been a great park.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>No, it doesn't feel like Disney really, EE. What it feels like is top of the line immersive theme park quality storytelling.<<<< So.... It feels like what Disney was. ;-)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>EE, you know I love you man (in a strictly platonic non-fanboi/Imagineer sense), but statements like that make me cringe Because when you start talking history and nostalgia, it's like the Disney marketeers have won. They're playing on your emotions instead of offering you new, quality, substantive reasons for visiting.<<< I don't think it's the marketing at all. It's the actual feeling the place has and the past surrounding it. MSUSA might have it's stores ripped out, but the mood is still evocative of Disney. Horizons might be gone from EPCOT, but it's still one of the more inspiring places I know. It's still there... But no where near where it should be.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I'd like to see a trip report from ya ... and hear what else you saw/experienced/did. Did you visit UNI or stay at IOA all day?<<<< IoA only ts trip. Can't wait to see Uni Studios. Trip report....maybe...I am swamped with essays at school, so I honestly am in no mood.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>Not to rag on you EE because I think you're a sweet kid but it's the real nasty anti-Uni people I cannot stand. Those that feel you have attended a Neo-Nazi rally if you step through the gates at USF or IOA - as if you have made Mickey cry.<<< Well, I am quite happy to distance myself from that crowd. IoA is really a great place. I do regret not seeing it sooner, though, back then, I honestly had no interest.
