Originally Posted By Darkbeer So we are supposed to award those that stay at Disney owned hotels and make the company more money.... Why not just charge a fee for the Showpass, and that way, everyone who gets a Showpass helps Disney make more profit.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>So we are supposed to award those<< LOL, "we" don't award anything to anyone (except Golden Doobies.) Disney is in direct (though reasonable friendly) competition with other hotels in the area, and they have a perk no one else can offer -- exclusivity. They're in the business of trying to fill their hotels every night as well, why wouldn't they offer some sort of perk (which costs them nothing) but makes a vacationer consider choosing to stay on property?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Exactly my point Kar2oon man. And no matter what they do, people will be unhappy, so they could endure them in this way. And as DB said, I suppose for multi day passes, 1 showing allocation per pass could work too. and maybe offer the same for APs. So the system could be: Entrance to viewing area upon production of: Disneyland Resort Room Key One day ticket One ticket included with multiday passes or once a year for AP's Lottery winning tickets for everyone else When low attendance, the system is abandoned (like with fast pass). To me this seems the fairest overall, and still gives the pop in for a few hours crowd a chance, but also ensure out of towners are able to see it on their trip.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo And to me this is then better than Tokyo, where all the main shows depend on winning the lottery.
Originally Posted By SleepingBeauty82 I think it boils down to the fact that no matter what, the system won't be fair for some people. Then again, neither is life.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt That's right. Not everyone can afford to go to DL, so you should consider yourself lucky if you've got the money to pay for the admission.
Originally Posted By lesmisfan i can't wait to see some of the bull answers we get when world of color premieres from those that don't have the showpass. "Well i didn't know about it." "I lost it."
Originally Posted By gadzuux What about the viewing area on top of the new GCH extension. Wouldn't that be the better location for resort hotel guests? I've seen some photos of the deck, and I remember the early word was that it wasn't the greatest vantage point for watching the show, but what about the capacity? How many people can they fit up there? Is it just enough for the timeshare folks? For GCH guests? Could they get people from DLH and PPH up there too? And then I wonder about just how bad the viewpoints are from elsewhere around the lagoon? From what little I've seen, if you're behind the big long horizontal line that bisects the show deck, it's probably pretty lousy. You might see the reverse image of whatever's projected on the wide water screen, but nothing in front. Who really knows - we'll just have to wait until next spring.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I can't imagine that they are going to give anyone the privilege of watching from the viewing deck for free. I imagine there will be some sort of wine/food buffet so that they can justify charging extra. No matter how large that area is if it proves popular they'll have to limit the number of guests up there too.
Originally Posted By SleepingBeauty82 <<you should consider yourself lucky if you've got the money to pay for the admission.>> Very much agreed. I am sure there are plenty of people who can't afford to go who would love the opportunity. Crowds of AP-ers and all.
Originally Posted By TokyoSweets Sorry I'm confused is ShowPass going to be like FastPass or like the lottery at TDR?
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Isn't this a show where you just turn it on and it sort of goes? I can't imagine that the cost per show is as high as Fantasmic. Why can't they do 2-3 shows per night? Why can't everybody who paid to get in have an opportunity to see it, if they want to?
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Why can't everybody who paid to get in have an opportunity to see it, if they want to? << They would need 7 to 8 shows a night... Not conceivable unless they do 24 hour operations.
Originally Posted By mousermerf The tiny capacity of the show is one of the things that baffles me.. I understand it is built to play to one direction, but couldn't they design a bigger viewing area or something? Then again, DCA's daily attendance is only around 15k, so 2/3 of the people in the park on a given day get to see the show. However, if the numbers for DCA double.. which considering that there's regularly 40k over at DL proper that could possibly to happen almost immediately.. suddenly 1/3 or less of the park's attendance gets to see the show. A parade route at DLR/WDW typically holds about 22k people. That comes from the horses mouth during interviews about designing parades. I would expect Disney's management to atleast be reasonable and show the show 2 times per night, if not 3, during the initial run. Then based on crowds run it nightly like DHS's Fantasmic and add shows if the park's attendance exceeds 18k guest regularly.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Oh, and assuming APs count for half or more of DCA's attendance as the show opens and they aggressively attempt to get Showpasses - it will take 3 months minimum for all the APs to see the show and more likely around 6 months.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I'm guessing, but I would imagine that not everyone will want to see the show. The majority yes, but not everyone.
Originally Posted By ni_teach TokyoSweets said: Sorry I'm confused is ShowPass going to be like FastPass? Based on current information it would be like the FastPass system. mousermerf said: The tiny capacity of the show is one of the things that baffles me.. The capacity is about the same as Fantasmic over at Disneyland. So it's not really that tiny. More people can see around the lake area, it just will not be prime viewing spots.
Originally Posted By TokyoSweets ^^^ Thanks ni_teach! So if you go at opening you should be able to win a seat. People will still hve to queue before the show because it will not be asigned right? How far in advance will it be allowed do you think?
Originally Posted By Ohana its odd to me that they didn't plan better for this. Fantasmic has been a hit show for 16 years and the crowds get insane. it cuts off some of the park's biggest attractions. WOC has the seating area positioned the same way, to completely cut off Paradise Pier. I know its a rhetorical question, but why would they do the same thing again? And while I'm at it, no one likes to stand around all day in between new planters. If there wasn't enough room to make a dedicated seating area, why do they do this caged-in standing room only crap, it always leaves people unsatisfied.
Originally Posted By ni_teach Now keep in mind that Disney changes their minds more often than I change my socks, but the last information going around is that the ShowPass tickets will work like the fastpass system but will only be used for the first show. The second show will be on a first-come-first-served arrangement. Also part of the current plane is that both shows the seating (really standing area) will be cleared and cleaned before both shows. This means that those people who are use to laying out their blanket for hours on end just to get the best seat will no longer have this advantage. Also rumored is that people who stay at a Disneyland hotel will be able to get a ShowPass ticket at the front desk as a perk for staying at the hotels. This last one might be wishful thinking on the hotel management part. Ohana: said: its odd to me that they didn't plan better for this. Fantasmic has been a hit show for 16 years and the crowds get insane. it cuts off some of the park's biggest attractions. WOC has the seating area positioned the same way, to completely cut off Paradise Pier. To be fair I’m not sure what more they could have done for the area. Paradise Pier is not cut off in the current design; there is the bridge before the WOC area which will allow people to get to Paradise Pier, although I don’t envy the poor CM whose job it will be to keep people moving in this area. Also the large walkway behind the WOC area will allow people to go around the long way.
