Originally Posted By gadzuux So your objection to senator clinton is her voice, is that it? Perhaps you could explain further why you feel that she would be a poor choice for president. Or you could just continue with the sophomoric name calling instead.
Originally Posted By barboy "Shrillary is descriptive of how she deliveries a speech, which is not listenable." Exactly. Unlike her charismatic husband's voice Hillary delivers rather piercing audio which rivals the noise created by back alley cats fighting over a two day old fish carcass at 1 am.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Unlike her charismatic husband's voice Hillary delivers rather piercing audio which rivals the noise created by back alley cats fighting over a two day old fish carcass at 1 am.> Oh, brother...
Originally Posted By ecdc I know, Jim. The idea that we're talking about Hillary's voice after putting up with someone who can barely string two sentences together for seven years is pretty amazing.
Originally Posted By jonvn This topic is an ilustration as to why why she will never win. Same for Obama, but apprently it is ok to openly discuss anti-female feelings rather than anti-black. But a black guy isn't going to win, either. The mormon is already falling out of the race, too. Falling behind the normal christian guy who is otherwise identical.
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^Didn't I say a few months ago that Romney would not be able to secure the evangelical/fundie vote?
Originally Posted By jonvn I think so. I agreed then, too. I think it's intresting though that the Jew, Lieberman, did not get as much flack for being a Jew as the Mormon is getting for being a Mormon. It must be that it's also not ok to be openly hostile to Jews, like it is for blacks. But Lieberman is why Gore lost, I am positive.
Originally Posted By JohnS1 I'd like to insert my opinion that most peoples' opposition to Hillary Clinton has absolutely nothing to do with her being a woman. In fact, at one time the major republican naysayers about Clinton suggested that Condoleeza Rice be put up to oppose her. And, as mentioned earlier, Elizabeth Dole ran on the Republican side a few elections ago. I don't know of anyone who has any bias against a woman president or a black, Mormon or Jewish president for that matter. If Hillary offends people it may be her policies, her rabid ambition, her voice, or some other reason, but I don't believe her being a woman has much to do with anything.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I'd like to insert my opinion that most peoples' opposition to Hillary Clinton has absolutely nothing to do with her being a woman" OK. The level of hatred for her is absolutely out of line with whatever she has done, though. It makes no other sense. It is rabid and unreasonable. Her policies are not all that different than anyone else's, and she is a bit more conservative than most democrats. So, there really is very little other reason.
Originally Posted By JohnS1 "Her policies are not all that different than anyone else's, and she is a bit more conservative than most democrats." From what I have observed, most people who oppose Clinton cite her tendencies to change her stripes according to whom she is giving a speech to, and becoming more conservative before elctions or any time she needs support for one cause or another. Their fear is that she tries to appear as a more conservative democrat now, but will drop that facade once she has gained the presidency. I don't know if this is true or not, but that's what I perceive as being the concern of many people.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Clinton cite her tendencies to change her stripes according to whom she is giving a speech to" They all do this.
Originally Posted By planodisney I know this sounds partisan, but speaking with a "black accent", for whatever reason, is a Democrat thing. I have my own beliefs as to why they do this, but they are not backed up by any fact, and therefore not worth posting.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I know this sounds partisan, but speaking with a "black accent", for whatever reason, is a Democrat thing. I have my own beliefs as to why they do this, but they are not backed up by any fact, and therefore not worth posting." What the?????????? Why bother to post this at all???
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Didn't I say a few months ago that Romney would not be able to secure the evangelical/fundie vote? << And a few months ago I predicted that huckabee would become a major contender - only because you cannot be the GOP nominee without the support of the christian right. It doesn't matter what else he says or does, just being 'born again' is all it takes for much of the republican party faithful.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Nothing from nothing here, but in and of itself, Hillary Clinton has been an obsession with the right wing talk radio nitwits ever since Bush won re-election. They've given her more publicity than she ever could have garnered on her own. The immmature title of this thread is an example. They've anointed her the front runner, and they decided to treat her as an "equal", ignoring her gender, and bash her like they would any other man. Except, it is exactly because she is female that they do this. And a Clinton. If she does get the nomination, much less win the general election, she'll have the Hannitys of the world to thank. Seriously. What particularly entertains me is how these radio hacks will talk about an issue, assign a position on it to Clinton, even if she doesn't have one, and then criticize her for it. This has been going on for years, and when they do this, it makes me want to take a second look at her to see what they're so afraid of when it come to her. Because otherwise, I might have not given her much thought.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <I don't know of anyone who has any bias against a woman president or a black, Mormon or Jewish president for that matter.> Really? I may not know anyone personally who feels this way, but there is a sentiment about it. I was in a grocery store recently and overheard another customer going off on how they couldn't in good faith vote for a woman as President of the United States. The customer saying this? A woman. Approximately 60 years of age. I just don't understand this. The reason people weren't as vocal about Elizabeth Dole, is that there didn't appear to be any chance of Dole actually winning. Hilary Clinton has been in the running for a long time. And that seems to freak people out.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <But nicknames like "Bushie" and "Shrub" are just stupid and spohomoric by comparison. > I would submit that "Shrub," which came from Texas and meant "little Bush" (to compare him to Bush Sr.) is rather more clever than a simple rhyme a Jr. high kid could come up with. <A majority of women opposed the ERA too. Go figure.> For a long time, a majority of women opposed women being given the vote. It's called "internalized bigotry" and you see it in any historically marginalized or oppressed group of people. Somewhere inside you, you think "I guess I must really be what they say I am," in this case "I guess I'm really not 'ready' for the vote."
Originally Posted By barboy " would submit that "Shrub," which came from Texas and meant "little Bush" (to compare him to Bush Sr.) is rather more clever than a simple rhyme a Jr. high kid could come up with." Agreed! But I still like the "Shrillary" too-- both are done well.
Originally Posted By JohnS1 Okay - didn't know that background info. I assumed shrub was just another word for bush, in which case it wouldn't be as amusing.
