Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Surely you wouldn't mind if a certain beautiful witch came quietly along, too?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<What did Disney do wrong, Spirit?>> I dunno. Is this a riddle? What did Disney do wrong?
Originally Posted By kennect Spirit, I don't know what to say....I have a nephew that works for Walmart but yet...Get this! He has never visited WDW....BTW, he is also a store manager....I personally don't shop Walmart but I will coming very soon since they are building one about two minutes from where I live...And you know what the real kicker is? They actually have a few items I cannot find in other store's on the planet...I mean I really have a true reason to go there...They sell an item that I need for my business that no one else sells....Bet you could never guess what it is or you don't even care...It is time to drop the Walmart thing and come up with another cheap ass comparision if you want to rake WDW over the coals....Rather real or not, the Walmart/WDW comparision is old tired and outdated....Get real, the people that visit WDW comes from all walks of life....Some might be better than and some might not...Regardless I think that all types are welcome....And yes, there will be a few that create a fuss that gets notice...Sorry, that is life period....You, myself and everyone else is no better or bad....
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Spirit, I don't know what to say....>> When I don't know what to say I usually don't say anything. It keeps me from saying something stupid or something I might regret later. <<I have a nephew that works for Walmart but yet...Get this! He has never visited WDW....BTW, he is also a store manager....>> I'm sorry to hear that. I don't think I could possibly have anything to do with a relative who worked for WalMart because I understand what they are doing to the American worker. <<I personally don't shop Walmart but I will coming very soon since they are building one about two minutes from where I live...And you know what the real kicker is? They actually have a few items I cannot find in other store's on the planet...I mean I really have a true reason to go there...They sell an item that I need for my business that no one else sells....Bet you could never guess what it is or you don't even care>> I don't believe that WalMart sells anything that can't be bought elsewhere. But even if it were true, I still would't shop there. They are an evil corporation that has spread like a cancer with a vile, deceitful, homespun American campaign. <<...It is time to drop the Walmart thing and come up with another cheap ass comparision if you want to rake WDW over the coals....Rather real or not, the Walmart/WDW comparision is old tired and outdated.>> I'm trying real hard to not be nasty here. But I'll go right along with my WalMart comparisons just as long as WDW chooses to WalMart its product and services. If you don't like it, I suggest you don't read my posts because I'm not changing. <<...Get real, the people that visit WDW comes from all walks of life....Some might be better than and some might not...Regardless I think that all types are welcome....And yes, there will be a few that create a fuss that gets notice...Sorry, that is life period....You, myself and everyone else is no better or bad....>> I really don't understand what you're saying here, so I'll reserve comment.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>When I don't know what to say I usually don't say anything. It keeps me from saying something stupid or something I might regret later.<<< I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<Just the typical WalMart family having a magical WDW vacation. I don't know what all the fuss is about. When you cater to a certain demogrpahic, you really shouldn't be all that surprised when they act according to form.>> <<What did Disney do wrong, Spirit?>> <<I dunno. Is this a riddle? What did Disney do wrong?>> No, it wasn't a riddle. It was an invitation for you to add some substance to your swipe at WDW. Many bars across the country promote an environment of rowdiness and serve alcohol without regard to the level of intoxication of the patrons. Those places are clearly creating a situation that fosters obnoxious drunken behavior. Carnival Cruise Lines used to be famous for encouraging and enabling underage patrons to drink to excess. Predictably, obnoxious drunken behavior ensued. Some crowds are more testoterone-powered and less contained by certain norms than others. There is much more likely to be obnoxious drunken behavior and assault at a frat party, a rap concert, or a sporting event than at, say, a garden show or a Sarah MacLaughlin concert. If WDW management had created any of the above situations in the MK, I would agree easily that they contributed to the obnoxious drunken behavior of the idiots about whom this thread was started. But, as far as I know, WDW doesn't supply alcohol to minors, doesn't encourage its consumption in the MK, and wasn't promoting any beer blast or testosterone festival on the day of the incident. So, Spirit, how did WDW contribute to this event? What did you mean by "When you cater to a certain demogrpahic, you really shouldn't be all that surprised when they act according to form"?
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I'm not sure who the Wal-Mart demographic is... I thought just about everybody shopped there, from rich to poor. It is the biggest retailer in the world, after all. So I guess WDW is catering to everyone, instead of middle-class white folks from Cleanville USA like before? Personally, I think any problems, like these brawling kids, has more to do with the times we live in, than who is being "invited" to visit. It's kinda like a comparison of how people used to dress when going to DL in the 50's, and how they dress today.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss FWIW, I looked up where these kids came from. Shirley is located in Suffolk County, NY. I compared that county's crime statistics to where I live, in Fairfax County, VA. They have a bigger population, and a lower rate of crime. Kinda looks like these kids came from Cleanville.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<They are an evil corporation that has spread like a cancer with a vile, deceitful, homespun American campaign.>> Like every other retailer out there. They just attract flack because they are the largest. Just like Burger King and Wendy's put out junk food every bit as un-nutritious as McDonalds, but McDonalds takes all the criticism because they are largest. Most companies in America today will do whatever it takes to fatten the bottom line. If that involves stepping over the edge every once in a while, oh well. Best Buy, the nation's largest electronics retailer, has been accused of deceiving in-store shoppers with a phony web-site. It LOOKS exactly like the one everyone sees at home but the prices are higher. If a customer says they saw it priced lower on the web the sales guy fires up the phony site and shows the customer they are 'wrong'. I brought a printout of one of one of their web pages once when I went shopping and they admitted those prices were only available over the net -- not in store. Which is fine; a lot of retailers do that. But why try to deceive your customers? Well, that's OK. We'll scratch Best Buy off the list. We'll buy our electronics stuff from Circuit City. Oops... can't do that either. They are complete jerks to their employees. They fired all their top paid sales guys and made them reapply for the same job at lower pay. Well geez... there goes Best Buy and Circuit City; where am I supposed to get my TV now? Oh I know, Wal-Mart!! Oops... maybe not. Perhaps I just won't watch TV. Yes, Wal-Mart engages in business practices that while legal are probably unethical. Welcome to the real world, so does everyone else. Wal-Mart takes the heat for two reasons: 1) They are the biggest. 2) Snobbery. It is easy to take a cheap shot at people without a lot of money. Somehow the un-married mother struggling to feed a family on the $6.15 per hour she makes at Wal-Mart is a BAD person because she shops there, while the Wal-Mart regional manager who makes enough money by screwing his employees that he doesn't need to shop there is a GOOD person. Right. The whole Wal-Mart thing is a cheap and easy shot. It is the argument thrown out by those too lazy to come up with a real argument. I'm tired of it also.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I know I've probably irritated my friend The Spirit as well as my buddy vbdad. But I truly feel all the venom at Wal-Mart is misdirected. Concentrating all of your anger on one retailer ignores the fact that Corporate American in general is out to benefit their officers and shareholders at the expense of their employees and customers. That is where the anger should be directed, not at one specific retailer just because it is large.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost And then there is Disney that reaps huge profits off the backs of their CM's. They aren't even allowed to make a living wage. I guess that means that Disney attracts the Wal*Mart crowd because they are a Wal*Mart company. If you have seen one corporation you have seen them all.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I know I've probably irritated my friend The Spirit as well as my buddy vbdad. But I truly feel all the venom at Wal-Mart is misdirected< It doesn't anger me but to say it is misdirected is ignoring a body of facts that has been rpesented here many many times. Of the abusers of unpaid overtime / illiegal aliens / abuse of benefits for employees they are the acme.....and that is very well documented. I agree that many corporations go over the line, even those we tend to think of in high esteem. But one has to start somewhere and why not start with the poster child ? So while I agree they are not the only ones - they are by far the worst - and that has nothing to do with who shops there -- those are completely separate issues. I have done enough study and spent enough time in high level HR sessions in counsels in Washington to feel very comfortable that Wal Mart deserves all the heat they get and more.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <And then there is Disney that reaps huge profits off the backs of their CM's. They aren't even allowed to make a living wage. I guess that means that Disney attracts the Wal*Mart crowd because they are a Wal*Mart company. If you have seen one corporation you have seen them all.< Disney offers benefits workers at WalMart dream about....( sometimes they are promised some of them but when they need them they are not delivered - of course some of them are illegals and have no recourse - and WalMart knows that ) -- While I agree the wages Disney pays should be higher - the HR abuses that WalMart does over and over again, and just settles the cases by writing multi million dollar checks ....go way beyond wages.
Originally Posted By MPierce vbdad55 you left out the part of how WalMart has completely destroyed thousands of small family businesses all over the country. These people had been around for several generations supplying goods to communities that no one else wanted to service. Now that the population of small towns is going up WalMart moves in, and wipes these businesses out. Some would call it progress or fair competition. I myself would just call it a shame that people don't recognize WalMart for what it truly represents.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 They do exactly the same thing in large areas which is why the City of Chicago fought so hard for so long to keep them out. The predatory pricing practices- specifically aimed at local businesses to take losses on some items to drive the business out ( while making it up in volumes in other departments)- then as soon as the competition is gone, raise the prices back to normal. Some may call this supply and demand - I calso call it predatory use of resources - with NO regard for the public. I see so many talk about how some poor get items there to save money - that is NOT Walmarts intent. it is to control the marketplace completely - any benefot anyone gets along the way is short lived.
Originally Posted By sherrytodd Interesting. A couple of punks spit on people at WDW and attack a police officer and were in here debating the evil of Walmart.
Originally Posted By kennect Sherry, We are only debating Walmart based on that some around here believe that if you shop at Walmart you are not worthy of a visit to WDW...But if you do shop there and make it to WDW then you are pure trash and are expected to act as such.....What don't you understand? Some folks think they are better than others....
