Originally Posted By cmpaley >>I see gas prices are in a freefall.<< Gee...I wonder why! I mean, after all, all the factors that have been there are still there (threats to world peace, high demand, etc.). Couldn't be that there's an election coming up in a couple months, could it?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<RETIREMENT SECURITY AND DIGNITY Stop any plan to privatize Social Security, in whole or in part. Enact real pension reform to protect employees’ financial security from CEO corruption and mismanagement, including abuse of the bankruptcy laws. Expand personal savings incentives.>> Bush tried to save Social security and the democrats decided it was not really a problem and personal SS accouts was a horrible idea. In other words, the democrats have no plan for SS and are willing to let it collapse as they try and deny me a personal SS account that I could actually use.
Originally Posted By DAR <<<COLLEGE ACCESS FOR ALL Make college tuition deductible from taxes, permanently. Cut student loan interest rates. Expand Pell Grants.>>> <<Here comes the socialism. Who pays for the free college for all? We do.>> I'm sure many parents Republican and Democrat alike would love to continue paying obscene amounts of tution. Of course if they're kids didn't a scholarship then those kids must be losers.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Beau, you are a liar. Do you know what happens to liars when they die? It says that tuition will be tax deductible and that student loan rates will be reduced. The only "free college" will be for those who can't AFFORD college otherwise through expanding an ALREADY EXISTINT PROGRAM.>> How am I a liar here?? Who is going to pay for the college for those people who can't afford college? We are. Taxes taxes taxes taxes. Go libs!
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>How am I a liar here??<< You posted. >>Who is going to pay for the college for those people who can't afford college? We are. Taxes taxes taxes taxes. Go libs!<< Wait...aren't you the one who says that when marginal tax rates go DOWN, revenues INCREASE? Hmmmm....apparently, you don't want that revenue to actually SERVE the American people...just people like YOU who sell things to the government. Noted. By the way, avarice is one of the seven deadly sins, as is pride.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<I think it should be free, and you teach yourself at home on your computer.>> See, this is how liberals think. To them " free college " is magic and nobody pays. The adults understand that free college means jacked up taxes to fund these programs.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 These are pretty good points to run on, but I think they'd be smart if they focused on these two: <End tax giveaways that reward companies for moving American jobs overseas.> and <Fix the Medicare prescription drug program, putting seniors first by negotiating lower drug prices and ending wasteful giveaways to drug companies and HMOs.> These are easy to understand and hit people where they live. And the contrast to what has happened under Bush (and allowed to happen by the GOP congress) is pretty stark. One of the Democrats' perennial problems is trying to create messages that include too much stuff. "I want to make college affordable for all Americans, clean our environment, create good jobs at good wages, shore up Social Security, gain energy independence..." and on and on. It's too much. It's fine to outline these things on a website, with lots of details - in fact, it's a good thing. But for campaigns, I'd "Keep It Simple, Stupid" and stick with one or two hammered over and over. The GOP tends to do that, quite successfully. The two above are the ones I'd choose.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<I mean, after all, all the factors that have been there are still there (threats to world peace, high demand, etc.). Couldn't be that there's an election coming up in a couple months, could it?>> Are you saying that Bush and the GOP lowered the gas prices to help their election results? Are you really saying this? Maybe it's the Klingons who are causing the prices to come down?
Originally Posted By DAR <<Are you saying that Bush and the GOP lowered the gas prices to help their election results? >> No but one has to wonder if it was really necessary for gas prices to be so high. Nobody I repeat nobody likes paying 3.25 a gallon for gas. I mean come on it shouldn't take forty bones to fill up my Cavalier.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Wait...aren't you the one who says that when marginal tax rates go DOWN, revenues INCREASE? Hmmmm....apparently, you don't want that revenue to actually SERVE the American people...just people like YOU who sell things to the government.>> When the democrats say free college for all they are saying they are going to do what libs do, raise taxes. No where in the Constitution does it say the government should pay for peoples college. Why not pay for peoples housing, food,, TV, and give them a car? Where does it end with the libs?
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Originally Posted By Beaumandy << All you can do is tear down the democrats’ ideas without offering any of your own. >> Dude, this is lame. You know the democrats have nothing and this entire thread is a joke. The Republicans are on record as being tough on terror, keeping taxes low, supporting capitalism, being for a secure border, supporting America and family values. To try and argue that the democrats have any ideas that they actually mean or would put into action besides raising taxes and letting terrorists have their way is simply not going to fly. You sound desperate.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<The Republicans are on record as being tough on terror, keeping taxes low, supporting capitalism, being for a secure border, supporting America and family values.>> On record where? I want to see Republican ideas. Do they actually have any?? <<The Republicans are on record as being tough on terror, keeping taxes low, supporting capitalism, being for a secure border, supporting America and family values.>> That means NOTHING. Where are the details? Supporting America. Who doesn't? You better come up with something better than that, or admit that you don't have squat!
Originally Posted By Shooba Roadtrip, until you can tell us how the Democrats will pay for free tuition, houses, food, TVs, & cars for everyone, you lose. Woodshed.
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Originally Posted By YourPalEd It seems to me that not paying taxes for the democrats seeking an education is equal to a republican not paying taxes in a trickle down corporate economy. One truism left out: Education is the most effective and cost efficent deterant to all violent crime. Selfawareness is the one factor that helps stop a person from needing to lash out, and hurt others criminally.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy What is the democrat plan to win the war on terror? Show me a thread on here where the libs have given a SINGLE idea to WIN the war on terror, where they support the troops, where they have any ideas to create more jobs. The democrats are simply the party on NO. They oppose everything Bush does and they give our enemy talking points. Everything that has made America great they are now against. It's why Bush won twice and the GOP contolls congress and the govenorships. The liberal plan to get back power???? Make up bogus scandlas and negative news and push them in their left wing media outlets. Really, tell me a great NEW idea the democrats have had in the last two years. If you want idea after idea, check out what Newt Gingrich has to say.
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger I saw nothing in RoadTrip's post about free college for everybody. All it said was "COLLEGE ACCESS FOR ALL" and mentioned tax deductions and loans, both of which imply that the student is forking over tuitions. (OK, the Pell grants are give aways, but those are for people that need the financial assistance.) To believe that either party has any interest in a secure border is nothing less than delusional. I don't believe the Democratic plank any more than I believe the Republican. But Beaumandy's right about one thing, the Democratic party is the last one I'd expect to see putting more money into the military.
Originally Posted By EdisYoda <<What is the democrat plan to win the war on terror?>> Neither party has a plan Beau. Terrorists will be around as long as there are any causes to be fought.
