Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Cough! Nemo-Lite...COUGH! Honey I Sprayed The Audience... COUGH! Innoventions... COUGH! Project Tomorrow... COUGH!>> If I knew that cough was going around it could have saved me some time with my last post ;-)
Originally Posted By MPierce >> And I hear some folks at TDO also detest it. Oh well, you can't please everyone so you've got to please yourself. (first caller to the 70s music trivia line gets a free spirit tee!) << Ricky Nelson's Garden Party!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> New postshow for SSE. <, Thanks I remember hearing the name now. I feel so foolish.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip So much to say… so little time… <<Dave & Buster's>> OK vbdad… I put up with a lot from you, but what the heck do you have against Dave & Busters? ;-) <<I agree TDLFAN. I love the edutainment features Disney used to do (Impressions de France, Oh Canada etc. and still can - Seasons of the Vine, Golden Dreams, the new China Film). Sadly though I think we are in the minority as people ask - where's Test Track?>> ABSOLUTELY!!! The Epcot Showcase films are wonderful. We always do them all. The best of the bunch (in my opinion) is Impressions De France – that is every bit as much a must do as Spaceship Earth. <<Star Tours did a far superior job 20 years earlier.>> Clearly you’ve never gone on Mission Space. Or you were zoned on Ambien when you did. Star Tours is a rather pedestrian simulator with a killer queue. Mission Space, whether you happen to like it or not, is an absolutely unique one-of-a-kind experience! <<I did and the first word out of my mouth at the end of the ride was "awesome">> The other three in my cabin CHEERED! Mission Space is the absolute best Theme Park attraction ever created. Period. <<<<Nothing in that park is a clone except for Soarin'.>> Uhm ... Honey, I Shrunk the Audience? Innoventions? Even almost all of Nemo is in the subs, isn't it?>> All copies… WDW was first.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Maybe Disney is giving the noisy masses what they want, because the ones who like it as is/was don't say anything? "Build it and they will come" does work with lots of people.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <The days of edutainment (a ridiculous term that many of the imagineers that worked on the orginal project hate) are long gone. I'm glad. Being preached to on rides like Universe of Energy was plain awful. 42 minutes of pain. You might not like Ellen's Energy Adventure but is does manage to be a better entertainment experience whilst maintain a show script that shows the problems we face today.> Yeah, maybe there's a nice middle ground they could find. I'll agree that the original 'Universe of Energy' post-dinosaurs part of the show became a bit lenghty. But the Ellen DeGeneres one is already dated -- and not all that entertaining. And if I had to choose, I'd take the 'edutainment' feel too. The Imagineers 'hate' the 'edutainment' term? Wow, what's next? Hatred for 'berm' and 'visual intrusions'? Oh yeah, they tossed those our [see: Disney's California Adventure].
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I guess the Universe of Energy as opposed to Ellen's is all a matter of taste. I have always, from day one, said that the original UoE was nothing more than one gigantic advertisement for Exxon. They were telling us that Exxon was almost god like in it's concern for the environment and that we were so lucky that they happened along to save us from ourselves. All this about the time of the Valdez incident. Ellen's unique brand of humor coupled with Bill Nye and the rest of the cast, made for a funny, entertaining attraction. Had UoE never changed I would never had set foot in it again. As it is now, it is a must do every trip.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 I love how leemac says only soarin is a clone. In addition to HISTA, Innoventions, and recycled footage from Nemo. SSE's post show, Project Tomorrow, is being cloned at Disneyland. Hooray for Individuality! Who are you trying to BS leemac? What's the point of visiting WDW when you can see the exact same thing at Disneyland (or vice versa)? Is the primary target market local Ap's now?
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <All this about the time of the Valdez incident.> It seems to me that the Exxon Valdez even appeared in the original movie, in Puget Sound. Perhaps that's the gasoline fumes talking.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>What's the point of visiting WDW when you can see the exact same thing at Disneyland (or vice versa)? Is the primary target market local Ap's now?<<< Granted that I may not be understanding what you are saying but in my mind it is simple. The East Coast is some 3000 miles for the West Coast. Many people could never ever afford to go to California or vise versa. Also consider what would happen if all the people that visit WDW decided to converge upon DL. I think it would be pretty crowded. I, for one, feel the duplication is necessary and useful. I don't care if Soarin' is in California as well as here. I will never be going to California again and I would like to enjoy it when ever I can.
Originally Posted By twirlnhurl So the Mona Lisa reminds you of WalMart because it has been photocopied so many times? Come on. Epcot is not a perfect park, but the only clone the park has is Soarin'. Everything else mentioned is cloned somewhere else. I doubt you think DL is comparable to WalMart because most of it's rides are cloned at Magic Kingdom, Tokyo, and Paris. Hell, you probably don't think it is comparable to WalMart even though it is the one that received all those clones you mentioned from Epcot. Wow, I realized after writing this how stupid and pointless this argument is. The "you" I was saying was referred to no one in particular. There are better things to talk about in this thread.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Ricky Nelson's Garden Party!>> MPierce earns the first 'The Spirit Moves Me To the Magic!' tee ... just as soon as I get a batch made up. The rest of you: 'sorry, losers. better luck next time!'
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<<<Nothing in that park is a clone except for Soarin'.>> <<Uhm ... Honey, I Shrunk the Audience? Innoventions? Even almost all of Nemo is in the subs, isn't it?>> <<All copies… WDW was first.>> Yeah. But they're still clones. And Nemo, for instance, was developed for the DL subs even if the Nemo clams opened first.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Umm, no it wasn't. That's a fanciful rendition of how events played out to boost DL's ego, but the Seas was greenlighted first. And incase you care, Epcot is the AP favorite of WDW.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Umm, no it wasn't. That's a fanciful rendition of how events played out to boost DL's ego, but the Seas was greenlighted first.>> why do I bother? ... yeah, DL the park has an ego and it needs boosting by beating other parks out for attractions. wow! But your facts aren't correct. The effects were developed for DL largely and repurposed (in a much cheaper setting) for Epcot. <<And incase you care, Epcot is the AP favorite of WDW. >> And how do you know this? Did you do a survey? Did Disney release this data? I don't doubt that's true, largely because I'm sure locals and frequent visitors who have APs would be more likely to visit Epcot due to its larger scale, greater food and beverage and shopping options and seasonal events as opposed to say the tired, stale, poorly maintained MK. But, again, I haven't see anything official that says Epcot is the fave of APers.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >><<Umm, no it wasn't. That's a fanciful rendition of how events played out to boost DL's ego, but the Seas was greenlighted first.>> why do I bother? ... yeah, DL the park has an ego and it needs boosting by beating other parks out for attractions. wow! But your facts aren't correct. The effects were developed for DL largely and repurposed (in a much cheaper setting) for Epcot.<< Agreed. TLS had other upgrade plans in store for it. It was DL's preliminary activity that led to an East Coast justification.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror So is a certain somebody going to post his tidbit about what might be going on with some of the LEAVE A LEGACY tombstones?
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Everything I have read in the past few posts have me wondering...so what? Any attraction I haven't seen is new to me and I don't care if it is in DL or WDW or any or all of the other theme park clones that followed DL. So what?
Originally Posted By danyoung >What's the point of visiting WDW when you can see the exact same thing at Disneyland (or vice versa)?< I would wager that the number of people who regularly visit both east and west coast parks (like me and many others here) is extremely small. I'd rather the parks have mostly unique rides. But a barnburner like Soarin'? I'm very happy that I can ride it on both coasts!
