Originally Posted By danyoung Bellella - >The pamphlet is completely unneccessary.< gottaluv - >None of the new characters bothered me and not sure if I would have really noticed them if I didn't know ahead of time...< Sounds like some folks would appreciate the pamphlet.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains I agree dan - The characters really didn't jump out at me - obvious characters were Ariel (her hair was odd), Lilo/Stitch (on a surfboard), and Woody/Jessie. The others blended in.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "What a fun idea! We can't exactly play 'Spot The Country' anymore, but we can certainly play 'Spot The Character.'" You're not capable of doing both? "Did it ever occur to anyone that the Small World ride could have been used to show off different countries to children?" It is. Not sure what you think they've changed on the ride. "If one of the cast members hands me one of those pamphlets when I go in August, I'm going to rip it to shreds right then and there." What are you, 6 years old? "They've already taken steps to make sure we see the characters by putting their movie themes into the background music," Barely. I keep riding hoping to hear the music (anything that breaks up the endless repetition of the Small World song is very welcome), but I almost never do. I think it's an accident of timing whether ou get to themes or not.
Originally Posted By dresswhites Actually only 5 of the characters have music from their movies. Alice "Golden Afternoon" Cinderella "Bibbi Bobbti Boo" Pinochio "When you wish Upon a Star" Aladdin "A whole New World" The three Cabeleros "the three Caberlos theme" the rest of the characters do not have any musical interludes. this includes the Lion King, Mulan, Little Mermaid Nemo, Lilo/Stich, and the Toy Story Gang. Like I said several posts ago, each time i went on SW this past visit, parents and children were looking at all the dolls, not just the Disney dolls.
Originally Posted By dresswhites and someone mentioned Jack Sparrow as example of tooning up the parks. Jack Sparrow isn't a cartoon. I see his placement no different from the Swiss Family placesment or the Davy Crockett Placement.
Originally Posted By Bellella All right. Even on the Internet video of the "improved" ride that I saw, I could hear the movie themes very clearly, especially the theme to Pinocchio. And, as to what they've changed on the ride, it's about promoting the characters now, and not about the original theme of world peace. See my previous posts. So I'm a Disney purist to the core. Deal with it.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "And, as to what they've changed on the ride, it's about promoting the characters now, and not about the original theme of world peace." Repeating this over and over won't make it true. You're still being hit with the anvil of a theme.
Originally Posted By Bellella Well, I guess it's all a matter of opinion and personal taste. All I know is what Walt wanted the ride to represent. Just because he's dead doesn't mean his original visions for rides had to die too.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<All I know is what Walt wanted the ride to represent. Just because he's dead doesn't mean his original visions for rides had to die too.>> And that is still an opinion. Who's to say you know more about what Walt wanted than me or anyone else?
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL Hey Belle, have you even bothered to go and experience this in person yet, or are you still going by what you can see on the internet?
Originally Posted By danyoung >All I know is what Walt wanted the ride to represent.< Walt wanted Pirates to be a walk through. He wanted the Haunted Mansion to be far more scary than it turned out. Heck, Walt put a circus into DL in the early days - it limped though one summer. Even Walt was willing to make changes to his designs. And all of that aside, you still assume that the theme of the attraction is somehow changed. Dozens of people have posted online that the theme is still there, still hits you over the head. You can say that you don't like the additions, but you can't say that the theme has changed - it hasn't.
Originally Posted By Bellella It's a Disney world after all, It's a Disney, Disney world. When I said "what the ride would represent," I didn't mean what type of a ride (walk-through, roller coaster) it would be. And by the way, I don't see how the Mansion could get any scarier.
Originally Posted By Bellella By the way, there's only one thing about the character additions to be happy about. And that is that the Imagineers tried to make them fit in. I'm not saying they succeeded, but at least they tried.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "I'm sure there are other true Disney purists who would agree with me." And a flat-Earther can find fellow believers. Doesn't make them right. "All I know is what Walt wanted the ride to represent." Walt has been dead for decades. I think we can all stop pretending to speak for him. "It's a Disney world after all, It's a Disney, Disney world." If they had changed the song to this, you might actually have a valid point. "And by the way, I don't see how the Mansion could get any scarier." Wow. Have you led a sheltered life. I love the HM, but as a scarefest, it's extremely mild.
Originally Posted By Bellella Sheltered life, nothing. I'm just more frightened of it than other people.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<Even Walt was willing to make changes to his designs.>> Of course, he was always improving his attractions. But the question here is, do the character additions really improve the attraction? Can you truthfully say that you now like Small World MORE because they added characters and movie music?? It seems like most people either don't care that they were added, or don't like having them there. I can't remember anyone saying that the addition of characters really made Small World a better attraction. So, why add them at all?
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt It's called plussing. I agree that it doesn't make it 'better', but Disneyland has a long tradition of adding and changing things, and for better or worse, this is the latest in a long line of things added, removed, or changed.
Originally Posted By oc_dean It's a little too general to be looking at it that simply. As the years have gone by .... most "plussing" has been handled by either FIRST generation imagineers .. and lets realize this - Knew what the heck they were doing. To .. then passing the torch with their knowledge to the SECOND generation imagineers like Tony Baxter, Eddie Sotto, the belated Bruce Gordon, and David Mumford. NOW ... the second generation imagineers are disappearing. The remaining "first" have so little influence anymore ...... So, now, it's "committees" that make up more than just imagineers throwing in their weight .. as if they have any creative talent. One needs to take a closer look at the history of all creative decisions .. and understand - You can't apply this "one broad stroke" to it .. as if one era of imagineering is EQUAL to one another.
