Originally Posted By ssWEDguy The problem with smoking in a public place like a theme park is that people are in queues a lot, and you have to follow behind someone further up the line. If they're smoking, you have to follow that smoke trail the entire time you are in line. You can't just "hold your breath" or "go around." Just walking around World Showcase promenade is the same notion.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy I appreciate this discussion, even though it was only supposed to be about people going ahead and publically doing something where they aren't supposed to -- and they know it. If you have a problem with and disagree that there should be "No Smoking" areas at all, then that's what all the rest of this discussion is about. What you're saying then is that you simply don't believe that smoking or second-hand smoking is a health concern. Or if you do, that you just don't care about it's affect on others.
Originally Posted By Mr X TDLFAN, thanks for the kind words... As a smoker, I will always find the "smoking zone", or else not light up...nothing else is cool. I think most people know that (except in Hong Kong...but, hey...that park sucks anyway so it's no surprise ).
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Get a life and learn to get along with the human race.>> This is not an issue of getting along with people. Disney is a private company, and they have asked patrons to only smoke in designated areas.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Wasn't Walt Disney a chain smoker?<< Yes. But I dont' think I have ever seen pictures of Walt smoking in the park or on TV. Besides...if it wasn't because of lung cancer, he would have lived to see WDW become the place it did, and it probably would have been a better place than what it is now.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >>Wasn't Walt Disney a chain smoker?<< Yes he was. But I understand he went out of his way to be sure he was not photographed with a cigarette when the photo was for publicity. He did NOT want kids to see him smoking. Walt grew up in an era when smoking was socially acceptable and even chic, and before they determined by golly that inhaling smoke fumes all day long can shorten your life. As good as WDW is -- and it IS very good -- can you just imagine what the Florida Project might have been like, how much more advanced it might have been, had Walt lived just another 10 years? When he died the most important light and driver behind the Epcot Center dream died with him.
Originally Posted By kingsdaughter4 TDLFAN All I am saying is if I am allowed to smoke outside (This is still America right) I will but I of course will also respect & obey the (law or rules) if I am in a non smoking section I obviously will not smoke.If a smoker doesn't like to be told that they can only smoke in one area than stay away & at the same time if a non smoker doesn't like that I am smoking in a public area where I am by law & rule allowed to smoke stay away too.Remember we live in America & other people too have rights even if you don't like them.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Remember we live in America & other people too have rights even if you don't like them.<< I love it when people use this sorry of excuse of "living in America" to justify their dirty habits. Sorry, but you do not have the right to kill me with your second hand smoke and that's the way I feel. Sorry, but if that was the case, then I'd be free to marry my man and do other things that otherwise "America" and it's pompous religious and cultural frowning have denied me. GET REAL! Personally I can't stand the fact I have to fact past cigarette stink every time I enter or exit a building or walk past those (totally open air) smoking areas. So please, don't talk to me about the rights we have because we are Americans... that is bull to me. Coming from a minority, being gay, and dealing with prejudice from religios organizations make me very catty and suspicious of people who think the way you do.
Originally Posted By kingsdaughter4 TDFLAN Please stop you are offending me right now you by trying to deny me my "right" to "choose " to smoke "Personally I can't stand the fact I have to fact past cigarette stink every time I enter or exit a building or walk past those (totally open air) smoking areas" Personally there are things that I cannot stand either but oh well No one is making anyone stay here in the Greatest Nation On God's Green Earth!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <No one is making anyone stay here in the Greatest Nation On God's Green Earth! < Ooh, I remember this slogan back in the late 60's............I wasn't impressed with it then, still am not now. And at that time I was ( or thought I was an activist) - and now I am a card carrying conservative in most of my views. I still don't like that love it or leave it stuff -- the people who founded this country didn't use it - what gives any of us the right to ? world events topic on verge of breaking out here ........ As a former smoker I see both sides from an informed viewpoint - the one thing I can't get past either way, is we know today it is very harmful -- first hand or second hand smoke -- freedom does not allow freedom to kill.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>No one is making anyone stay here in the Greatest Nation On God's Green Earth!<< Spare me the republican B/S agenda. It's offensive as well to those of us who pay taxes and have the right to clean breathable air. Besides you are costing Medicair and other medical insurance services a lot of money due to the ill effects of cigarettes.
Originally Posted By Kylesmom I've said it before and I'll say it again... Your rights end at my face, so keep your toxins out of my face (and out of my lungs and keep your stench out of my cloths and hair). And btw, I love my country very much, thank you.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Besides you are costing Medicair and other medical insurance services a lot of money due to the ill effects of cigarettes. << This is true, but oddly enough I've heard arguments that would suggest that smokers can actually be LOWERING their OVERALL cost to Medicare. How? By dying off earlier and only burdening Medicare with their higher costs for a relatively short time. Interesting thought. That said, I too HATE the fact that I have to walk the gauntlet through a wave of smokers at the entrance of public buildings just to get inside. Even thought it's outside where it's God's job to blow away and clean up, it still lingers. And then there's that crummy smoke pot ash receptacle right out at the entrance to WalMart. WalMart puts it out there like they're providing a service. The WalMart employees smoke out front there right along with the customers. (Sorry, I just can't bring myself to call them CMs or Guests) Smokers -- you have to get past the thought that "they just don't want me to smoke because they don't like the smell." It's more than that. It's the fact that WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS AFFECTING ME AND MY FAMILY'S HEALTH. And when you continue to smoke anyway you are saying to me that "you don't care about the health of those around you." If you don't believe the published medical evidence, then nothing I can say will ever change your smoking attitude. I'm sorry for you.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Wed---------It's not worth it! Don't apologize or even try to deal with people like X who is an addict and has little concern for others with his description of Hong Kong----- It's just ignorant people so it's not worth it and I bet I get the usual hate e's for NOT being addicted to whatever
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Understood -- I'll just go back to my original point for starting this thread to begin with. I really wasn't out to diss smokers as a class. But sometimes talking about this subject is like poking a stick at a sore spot. I AM ticked about people who choose to ignore the posted rules and do their own thing wherever they want to anyway. "Oops, sorry! I didn't know!" Yeah, right. One final observation -- Have you ever noticed that every single smoke in the world is a litterer? Yes, lots of other people litter too. But smokers are champs at it. It's almost like their right to smoke includes the right to litter. Watch them. They will toss used matches, cigarette butts, cigarette pack cellophane wrappers, and (less often) whole empty cigarette packs on the ground. It's someone else's job to come along later and pick them up, I guess. And then there's the simple flicking of ashes out the car window as they drive. God knows they don't want to put ashes in the car's ash tray where they will stink up the car there. There. I feel much better now.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m Wow, this reminds me of the days when Toad started a thread in DL to ban smoking in DL.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Addendum Wed as we were at Epcot nyeve too but only till 4 when we took the boat to spend the night there. Point is we couldn't even walk through the showcase or get near Mexico! I told fam it's probably JUST Mexico but it continued right past France to the boat in the International Gateway Studios wasn't bad at all as I had hoped and as you may or may not know they closed MK for a while! Smoking has not been bad at at WDW for the 3 years that we've been going. I very seldom see many in forbidden areas which is the whole park areas except certain smoking areas so we should be fairly happy there at the happiest place on earth.
